You are having some comprehesion problems. I said twice that DRESSING a certain way is not a BEHAVIOR ie harrassment (harrassment is a behavior). Here are another two issues you get convoluted. You seem to associate his manner of dress as a form of harrassment in itself...it isnt.

I am not blurring the lines. I know the difference between someone asking another out once or twice and HARRASSMENT.

Its not just getting more attention, its being classified as harrassment by the victim simply because he is gay and not according to what he ACTUALLY did.

You are the one who took a scenario of a woman being sexually harrassed and turned it into the label of "cocktease" on the woman.

Thats funny cause YOU brought it up not me and you havent provided ANY proof this happens a lot.

I also know that being asked out a few times isnt going to be a successful defense for a woman who murdered a man.

The story only says one time and thats when he asked him to be his valentine. He may have asked more, the story doesnt say that he did though...apparently you are going to go ahead and ASSUME harrassment yet nothing in the story actually points to behavior that is harrassment.

It does tell of behavior by the victim that was "different" and not so acceptable to those around him who didnt "like it"...but that isnt harrassment on the victims part.

No I am not a lawyer but I have COMMON SENSE. You cant go up to a judge and say... this guy has a crush on me and I dont like him or the way he dresses and he even asked me to be his valentine in front of my friends and I felt humiliated...I want a protection order and to have him charged with stalking. You would be laughed out of court.

Tell me exactly what behavior this kid/victim did that would be considered stalking and worthy of a protection order.


Yep but they would have to DO MORE than what this victim did for this to happen. Making flirtatious comments like "you know you want me" isnt going to do the trick. Asking the girl to be your valentine isnt going to get any boy suspended or expelled for harrassment.

I think its pretty evident because if we changed this whole scenario into a heterosexual one and brandons behavior was towards girls, it wouldnt be classified as harrassment at all.

Of course the speed in which you took a scenario of a sexually harrassed woman and labeled her a "cocktease" was further evidence.

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Hey pal... The Specialist has made several good points. Please don't paint the Christian religion as being the bad guy here. Sure, there are some Christians making bad choices in life, but it is not the fault of the Christian religion. The Christian religion did not cause them to make bad choices; they made those bad choices on their own accord.

As the parent of a 14 year old and a ten year old, here is my take on it. Boys that age...or girls...the label of being gay or lesbian can stick with a person for years, true or not.

They lack the impulse control for good decision-making. The adults are doing nothing to control the situation (parents, school staff, school administration). A boy who is being tagged with that label for no reason could easily feel very angry and powerless.

I've seen it happen at my daughter's school. Some kids are very open with their seexuality (fine and good). I have no problem with this, and I'm not anti-gay or lesbian. BUT...I have noticed that some kids don't know when to stop with the teasing and/or the public mockery. Sometimes, the gay and lesbian teens are having their own issues with their sexuality, just like all of their hetero peers are. It is a confusing time. I've seen these kids be very in your face at my daughter's school with the hetero kids. They keep pushing and pushing and pushing. My daughter and I have had many, many conversations about this issue. Sometimes, when a group is externally repressed, their response is to be even more in your face. The gay/lesbian/bi students deal with a lot of harassment themselves, and in turn, they adopt the tactics of their harassers and turn them on other people. And, they have a peer group behind them that is encouraging this behavior. It happens on myspace, it happens in the school campus, and the parents are oblivious.

Boys that age are just figuring out their masculinity and dealing with all kinds of little embarrassments. They are deathly afraid of being singled out from their peers and/or being different. The worst possible scenario for a 14-year-old boy who isn't gay is to be labeled as gay or a (*)(*)(*). That is his WORST NIGHTMARE. The gay boy teases him. Then, the gay boy's friends. Then, the straight boys pick up on it, and start mocking him.

He feels singled out and isolated, and absolutely powerless to control this ongoing humiliation. All the ingredients you need, at that age, for a tragedy.

I can totally see why it happened, and the adults contributed to it through negligence. The adults should have been on top of this scenario and they totally did not do their jobs.

Sexual harassment is wrong, ALWAYS. I don't care if the person doing the harassing is gay, straight, bi, or transgendered. The fact of the matter is that focusing unwanted sexual attention on another person IS harassment.

Adults who work with kids have a responsibility to be aware of these nuances, and to handle them. When they fail to do so, we should not be surprised when kids take matters into their own hands.

I am not excusing this child's behavior. But, having worked with high risk teens for the past 17 years, and as the parent of a teenager myself, I totally understand WHY he did it.

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I am not your pal, and I never used the word "Christian", I said religion.
Religion is a tool of man and can be used for good as well as evil.
You don't think religion can fuel hate? Do you really want to go there?

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I took a scenario which happened more then once. In fact, it happens so much that movies and even complete comedy sketches are written about it.

I say that both events happen just as often. That's called a zero hypothesis. You say it is not equal. That is called a alternative hypothesis.

You have to proof that the alternative hypothesis holds true beyond a certain uncertainty, because you say that the events do not happen equally.

i never said it was, i just said it happens.

i'm not going ahead, i'm just saying what can be the case. Not saying that it is the case.

you'd be very very surprised what you can and cannot do in a court of law. In fact, most attorney's i have spoken (and i know a few) tell me that current law is far from just.

actually you do not have to do more. Schools can expel for no reason what so ever. In fact, i know of a case were a kid was expelled for a month because some other kid said he had stolen something. No proof, police even acquitted him, but he was still expelled.

man, you really need to stop the demonizing. Yes a woman can be a cocktease. The word exists because the phenomenon exists. And i said: "enough women murdered for being a cocktease". doesn't say anything about harrasment. It's just to illustrate that you are wrong for thinking this only happens to gay males.

Hmmm... it seemed like every word in your reply to The Specialist implied that the Christian religion is the bad guy. At least that is what I got out of it. I guess I could be mistaken.

No sir.
Although I find virtually every religion wacky, I grew up Christian (baptist), and have a personaly affinity for the actual words and teachings of Christ.

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N-O-P-E, people get twisted and that is that.


10% hmmmm...It does seem a bit high and unbelievable too me but not to argue.Though it is my understanding that gay leaders now admit to abusing that 10% mythical figure for their own gain as a way of encouraging the nation’s large population of closeted homosexuals to be open about their sexual identity.
As I said not my point.The thing is that,I said "wrong" and you said "normal" which are two completely different things which means you are completely mixed up.Left handed and green eyes compared to sex with the same sex - apples and oranges....and if you want to credit God for error then that's your own issues.....


"Explaining human sexuality to your kids is a normal part of parenting." NO KIDDING! That is why I said "IT IS OUR BUSINESS" - lol - Maybe you should consider not breeding I mean,try to focus on what you read next time !Booyaaa




No, I am equating my right to know, as a parent of how much business it really is of mine.......



Not really,but since you have asked,I guess Im trying to "compare" the two and I am saying that both of them kind of break my heart and I have compassion for people that self-medicate,I also feel sorry for the shame that homosexuals must feel and put their familys through.....I actually mean the ones that haven't been excepted anywhere and who's parents are from the older generation and just aren't ready for that,and maybe never will be.I also feel sorry for people that can't go to places that they once loved because they don't feel comfortable around either of the two.......But it also seems to me like now your judging the drug addict as worse,like no-good.Hey,they are people too......

Ok,that's fine.By the way,Im not a Limbaugh fan.....


Dude,I have no hang-ups with gay people.I have a gay friend that I hang out with sometimes and watch funny movies.He is cool. I still maintain my same attitude,live and let live.But your not completely accurate with being able to enjoy all the places if you mean by "everyone else" as being gay.I would never feel good in a gay bath house,gay bars,ect......


lol Yea,R-I-G-H-T...... lol