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Old 07-30-2008, 12:55 PM
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WASHINGTON - A House panel Wednesday voted to cite former top White House aide Karl Rove for contempt of Congress as its Senate counterpart explored punishment for alleged Bush administration misdeeds.

Voting 20-14 along party lines, the House Judiciary Committee said that Rove had broken the law by failing to appear at a July 10 hearing on allegations of White House influence over the Justice Department, including whether Rove encouraged prosecutions against Democrats such as former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman.
The committee decision is only a recommendation, and a spokesman for Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said she would not decide until September whether to bring it to a final vote.

With little more than three months before Election Day, it wasn't clear whether majority Democrats could take any substantial action in a political environment in which time for the current Congress is running short and lawmakers face a host of daunting legislative problems and a cluttered calendar.

The House committee vote occurred as members of the Senate Judiciary Committee delved into allegations of wrongdoing ranging from discriminating against liberals at Justice to ignoring subpoenas and lying to Congress.

For his part, Rove has denied any involvement with Justice decisions, and the White House has said Congress has no authority to compel testimony from current and former advisers. His attorney, Robert Luskin, had urged the panel in letter not to vote for a citation, calling it a "gratuitously punitive" action that would serve no purpose because the question of executive privilege is already pending in two other cases in federal court.

Republicans who unanimously opposed the measure accused Democrats of staging political theater.

"Instead of conducting witch hunts, we should consider bipartisan legislation to reduce the price of gas, reduce crime and secure the borders," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the top panel Republican.

But Democrats cited recent internal audits finding that politics heavily shaped Justice Department hiring, and they said that Rove had left them with no choice but to support a contempt citation.

"His name has come up repeatedly in the hearings on this subject," said Judiciary Chairman John Conyers, D-Mich. "Yet he refuses to testify based on legally invalid claims of immunity privilege."

The Senate proceedings were the latest congressional review of the White House, a constitutionally mandated power that majority Democrats are eager to use. Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine, who reported this week that former department officials broke the law by letting administration politics dictate the hiring of prosecutors, immigration judges and career government lawyers, Fine said his office and Justice's Office of Professional Responsibility are investigating.

He said specifically that they're trying to determine whether Bradley Schlozman, former head of the department's Civil Rights Division, used political or ideological criteria to make hiring decisions.

Under questioning by Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, the panel's senior Republican, Fine said he uncovered no evidence that any Justice officials involved made false statements to Congress or violated criminal law. Politicization of the hiring process for career positions is a violation of civil law and department policy, he said.

The Senate probe sprang from Justice's firings of nine federal prosecutors that sparked congressional investigations last year and led to the resignation of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

House and Senate Democrats said the findings of Justice's IG's office affirmed their contention that career employees there were hired and fired based on whether they were deemed sufficiently conservative, a violation of law. Conyers said earlier that he was considering bringing criminal charges against some of the former officials named in Fine's report who may have lied to his committee. Lying to Congress is a crime, but there's little agreement among Democrats on whether a perjury referral against some of the officials is warranted.

Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., who led the investigation into the prosecutor firings, is pressing Fine to say whether making such a disregard of civil service rules a crime would deter the kind of conduct his investigation uncovered.

Similar legislation will be considered in the House.

"I will be asking Chairman Conyers to consider legislation to ensure that the politicization of hiring of career employees at the Justice Department never happens again," Pelosi said in a statement.
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If Rove claims to have had no involvement in the political litmus tests for hiring, promotion and retention in the Bush Justice Department, then why is he afraid to testify on the record under oath?
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He should start pacticing his 'frog march', then he can teach it to his former boss.
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Looks like more trouble for ol' turd blossom.
couldn't happen to a more deserving tool...

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If Rove claims to have had no involvement in the political litmus tests for hiring, promotion and retention in the Bush Justice Department, then why is he afraid to testify on the record under oath?
because he's afraid he'll have to tell the truth...

remember when bush claimed he was going to bring integrity back to the white house... he and his pals have obviously failed to do that...
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Funny how many on this forum don't seem to remember that fact about Bush.
But, it was so long ago, and there have been so many more lies by Bush and his gang to conviniently forget about.
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Funny how many on this forum don't seem to remember that fact about Bush.
But, it was so long ago, and there have been so many more lies by Bush and his gang to conviniently forget about.
And remember how Bush promised full cooperation in the investigation of the outing of a covert CIA agent in wartime and then commuted the sentence of Scooter Libby, who was convicted of lying and obstructing justice during that very investigation.

These are not garden variety character flaws in our president, these are world-class character flaws.
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If Rove claims to have had no involvement in the political litmus tests for hiring, promotion and retention in the Bush Justice Department, then why is he afraid to testify on the record under oath?
who said he was afraid? him? nope. Just you.

He is refusing on principle.
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He'll eventually go before congress. For immunity. Then, like everyone else in the near future; he'll take to throwing either George or Dick to the sharks.

Who will it be kids? George or Dick? Stay tuned to find out!!!
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If he weren't afraid why doesn't he show up? I think that shows fear on his part. If you were innocent wouldn't you show up?
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If he weren't afraid why doesn't he show up? I think that shows fear on his part. If you were innocent wouldn't you show up?
perhaps not. if Mr. Rove thinks it is principly wrong for him to even be called, then his defiance makes sense. Time will tell.
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