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Default Social Parasites - Capitalism

In nature and wildlife their are some creatures which themselves are not very strong or big, their only advantage is that they can latch onto other bigger creatures and feed off them in so way, sapping them of strength and in so doing make themselves stronger. These are called parasites.

This metaphor can only be used to analysis modern capitalist society. The capitalists themselves are psychically weak and very small in number, yet through gaining the reins of state and gaining control of the police and military they have become the ruling class in society. They have collectively latched unto working people and worked them to produce the commodities which the capitalist then 'appropriates' (steals) from the worker and sells to other workers at a higher amount than the amount that was needed to produce this commodities in the first place.

This system has become so ingrained that few workers questions that every day they are being robbed of the product of the labor and then having that product (which they made with their very hands) sold as if it were the rightful property of the capitalist.

This is what can be called 'lack of access to the means of production', a worker can work on a machine producing goods all day, yet the second he produces that good and passes it on to be sold he has no thought that he has just used his sacred labor to produce something and had it stolen from him in that same instant. The cultural hegemony of capitalism ensures that workers never actually realize the slave system they live in. You see under feudalism exploitation was clear to see, the peasant had to actually give his product to his lord. Under capitalism however the process is shrouded in what is called the 'automation' of production, in which the 'production line' process ensures the worker has as little personal contact with what he produces.

You see, whenever we produce something of course a part of ourselves goes into that product, we used our labor to build it and thus the capitalist must do as much as possible to remove that attachment. This concept becomes even more important when we consider people who work all their lives, and yet come out with little to show for it save their lives. This is capitalists must continually decrease the investment which they put in to keep workers producing, in this case that is a wage.

So in the end this 'wage' becomes nothing but a food, electricity and mortgage 'voucher' which the capitalist ensures his capital (human being) does not starve to death so he can keep working. Capitalism must continually reduce wages so that his initial investment becomes less and the return greater, thereby further reducing the worker to subsistence levels (living from week to week).

To each the full product of their labor! Capitalism is theft!
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It always seems that the people who support Capitalism, are the ones in a position to benifit from others hard work.
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So in the end this 'wage' becomes nothing but a food, electricity and mortgage 'voucher' which the capitalist ensures his capital (human being) does not starve to death so he can keep working. Capitalism must continually reduce wages so that his initial investment becomes less and the return greater, thereby further reducing the worker to subsistence levels (living from week to week).
So when a socialist country taxes at 62% of what you earn, it is somehow better?
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That's a pretty succinct summary of the Marxist theory of surplus value I would think. There are objections to it, some of which are based on the assertion that neither Marx or Engels actually came up with the idea in the first place, but for me that doesn't invalidate the point.
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It always seems that the people who support Capitalism, are the ones in a position to benifit from others hard work.
Self-interest rules. Everything can be reduced to self-interest and should be seen in that frame.
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So when a socialist country taxes at 62% of what you earn, it is somehow better?
Do third world socialist governments, suddenly represent all the socialists world wide?
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So when a socialist country taxes at 62% of what you earn, it is somehow better?
No 'socialist' countries does, income tax does not exist in socialism. In socialist the 'purchase' phase of economic activity is abolished in favor of direct distribution of the social product.

What you are talking about is state-capitalism or welfare capitalism.
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Do third world socialist governments, suddenly represent all the socialists world wide?
Q: What country has the highest tax rate?

A: Denmark has the highest income tax rate, with its top-taxed citizens paying 68% of their hard-earned crowns. The basic tax rate begins at 42%.

Do you consider Denmark a third world country?
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Q: What country has the highest tax rate?

A: Denmark has the highest income tax rate, with its top-taxed citizens paying 68% of their hard-earned crowns. The basic tax rate begins at 42%.

Do you consider Denmark a third world country?
No, but Denmark is a capitalist country, albeit of the welfare type akin to the 1960's America. Europe for the most part has been able to 'pamper' their own workers with welfare because of the cheap consumer products from the third world, whose workers are nothing short of slaves.

You have to think of capitalism as a global system, so if workers are doing well (as far as wages) in some part of the world, that is only because they are practically enslaved in another part of the world.

But even so a 'wage' by definition is only a tiny portion of the true value of the products created by a worker. The worker produces and the wage is simply given so he can remain working (afford transport and housing costs, food etc), few working families (even in the first world) can afford to go much over necessities, and even if they do it will always be because (for example) their clothing is really cheap because it's made by workers on the other side of the world who REALLY are enslaved.

So it all evens out, it's just that some capitalist countries have an advantage over others (some that were late to industrialize etc).

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Q: What country has the highest tax rate?

A: Denmark has the highest income tax rate, with its top-taxed citizens paying 68% of their hard-earned crowns. The basic tax rate begins at 42%.

Do you consider Denmark a third world country?
I would consider them capitalists.
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