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Old 08-02-2008, 09:47 PM
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...would Christians still disapprove of it? My theory is that most of them would, because I don't believe that those who wrote the Bible made up on the spot that homosexuality is evil. I believe that society naturally looks down people who are different than the norm and naturally views homosexuality as abnormal, and that that's why the writers of the Bible stated that homosexuality is a sin. I doubt that most Christians are against homosexuality purely because the Bible tells them to be so. I think that most would be against it even if the Bible did not tell them to be so because many of them personally believe that homosexuality is abnormal period, not just because God said it is, and that those who don't really give it that much thought are, as all humans are, naturally prejudiced against people who are different than they are.
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I think it is a mixed bag. Some will condemn it because it is in the bible. I think there are others that just don't like it and will fight against anything that is different. IMO many people who have difficulty are not religious in any way. I look at people on a case by case basis. If they have a problem with me so be it. i can respect their views and opinions as long as they don't beat me over the head with a bible.
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I am guessing yes, Christianity is simply a conduit for social conservatives to channel their bigotry and irrational hatred of those who are 'different'.

Ironically enough, social conservativism did NOT come from Christian Europe, medieval Christian Europe was actually very socially liberal where women had much freedom and rights, just looked at the sex-crazed 'courtly love' in France and elsewhere.

Social conservatism originated actually from Arab Muslim tribal values, in which sexually free women were despised and the Muslims hated the 'courtly love' in Europe.
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...would Christians still disapprove of it? My theory is that most of them would, because I don't believe that those who wrote the Bible made up on the spot that homosexuality is evil. I believe that society naturally looks down people who are different than the norm and naturally views homosexuality as abnormal, and that that's why the writers of the Bible stated that homosexuality is a sin. I doubt that most Christians are against homosexuality purely because the Bible tells them to be so. I think that most would be against it even if the Bible did not tell them to be so because many of them personally believe that homosexuality is abnormal period, not just because God said it is, and that those who don't really give it that much thought are, as all humans are, naturally prejudiced against people who are different than they are.
absolutely, although, its not so much christians, but conservative christians. i dont think jesus ever said anything about homosexuals. i like how they argue against citing the old testament when it makes them look like barbarians, but when it comes to disparaging gays, they go right to the ot abomination passage -- as if abomination is saying much coming from the bible, haha. such a joke:

http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

plus, they allow all manner of sinners to marry, just no gays. adulterers can marry, liars can marry, atheists can marry... gays? hell no! that sin is at the top of the nonexistent, christian sin scale.
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I think Christianity would still condemn homosexuality even if the religion didn't condemn it. Christians are strung up on morals, and homosexuality is a moral issue for them so they'd likely still be whining about it.
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I think Christianity would still condemn homosexuality even if the religion didn't condemn it. Christians are strung up on morals, and homosexuality is a moral issue for them so they'd likely still be whining about it.
So morals shouldn't be an important part of one's life?
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...would Christians still disapprove of it? My theory is that most of them would, because I don't believe that those who wrote the Bible made up on the spot that homosexuality is evil. I believe that society naturally looks down people who are different than the norm and naturally views homosexuality as abnormal, and that that's why the writers of the Bible stated that homosexuality is a sin. I doubt that most Christians are against homosexuality purely because the Bible tells them to be so. I think that most would be against it even if the Bible did not tell them to be so because many of them personally believe that homosexuality is abnormal period, not just because God said it is, and that those who don't really give it that much thought are, as all humans are, naturally prejudiced against people who are different than they are.
I imagine most people would still oppose homosexuality just as they do now in the absence of religious condemnation of it. Most parents want to see their children grow up and have grandchildren for them and continue the family line. The older people get, the more important the longevity of the familt genetic line becomes in their minds. Homosexuals simply cannot maintain that lifestyle and produce grandchildren without going through some sort of scientific or other unusual tactics to produce offspring. Then there is the issue of explaining to the grandchildren why the people rasing the child are engaging in such odd behavior.

Contrary to pop culture rhetoric, homosexuality impacts the lives of many more than the two involved in the gay relationship.
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Ironically enough, social conservativism did NOT come from Christian Europe, medieval Christian Europe was actually very socially liberal where women had much freedom and rights, just looked at the sex-crazed 'courtly love' in France and elsewhere.
Actually, the cult of courtly love in mediaeval Europe was not proof of women's rights and freedoms; quite the opposite, it was a convenientr fiction that was meant to cover up women's relatively low status in the real world.
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Social conservatism originated actually from Arab Muslim tribal values, in which sexually free women were despised and the Muslims hated the 'courtly love' in Europe.
Wrong again! For much of Arabic history, women enjoyed considerably more rights and freedoms than they do now; it was only after the Arab world went into a decline around the seventeenth century that the status of women in the Arab world went into a decline.
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Bigotry it seems to me can only grow if you allow it to. If you think that it is okay to judge others you will do that. If you are comfortable with picking on those you see as less you will. If you don't like differences you will pick on them as being less then yourself. Religion will make the fire hotter in some people. But the hatred of gays is there in some and always will be without being founded in anything.
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