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Old 08-03-2008, 06:43 AM
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Icon19 In statement, US official 'holds Ottomans responsible' for crimes against Armenians

In new correspondence with the U.S. Congress on World War I-era killings of Armenians in the Ottoman empire, U.S. President George W. Bush's administration has continued to avoid using the word "genocide," but also says it holds Ottoman officials responsible for so-called crimes against Armenians.

"The administration recognizes that mass killings, ethnic cleansing, and forced deportations of over one and a half million Armenians were conducted by the Ottoman Empire. We indeed hold Ottoman officials responsible for those crimes," Matthew Reynolds, Acting Assistant Secretary of State for legislative affairs said in a letter to Democratic Sen. Joseph Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

The letter reached Biden hours before the committee voted Tuesday to support Marie Yovanovitch, Bush's nominee for ambassador to Armenia.

Reynolds was responding to questions by Biden and Democratic Sen. Robert Menendez on Yovanovitch's views on the Turkish-Armenian relationship.

The letter was first posted on the web site of the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA), the largest U.S. Armenian group which contains also ASALA supporters.

In response to a question by Biden about a plan to invite Turkish and Armenian archivists to the United States for professional training, Reynolds said that Washington's aim was "to help archivists protect the evidence of the past so that future generations will have the documentation of the mass killings and deportations of Armenians committed by Ottoman soldiers and other Ottoman officials in 1915."

"Our goal is not to open a debate on whether the Ottomans committed these horrendous acts; it is to help preserve the documentation that supports the truth of those events," Reynolds said.



Setback for Turkey:

Turkish sources admitted that they saw these two new points raised by Reynolds as a setback for Ankara.

"Particularly the point that the Americans see World War I-era events as fully documented realities is disturbing, and makes Washington's stated support for our proposal for the creation of a joint Armenian-Turkish history commission to probe the events totally irrelevant," said one source. "If the events are fully known, there is no need for an investigation, the letter says, which is in contradiction with the official U.S. policy."

Commenting on developments, Aram Hamparian, ANCA executive director said, "The State Department letter, although clearly falling short of America's moral responsibility and national interest in recognizing and condemning the Armenian genocide, did mark a step in the direction of distancing U.S. policy from the dictates of the Turkish government.Analysts said that the points raised by Reynolds represented concessions by the administration to pro-Armenian senators to persuade them not to block Yovanovitch's nomination.

Washington has had no full-time ambassador in Yerevan since May 2006 and attaches great importance to sending Yovanovitch there at a time of increasing Russian influence in the region and a worsening conflict over the development of nuclear arms with Iran, they said.

Yovanovitch was expected to be confirmed in a Senate floor meeting before this weekend.

In May 2006 Bush fired John Evans, the last ambassador, who had vocally described the Armenian killings as genocide, in violation of Washington's official policy. He then nominated career diplomat Richard Hoagland for the post, but Menendez blocked the nomination for failing to qualify the Armenian killings as genocide. Bush then proposed Yovanovitch, who also has declined to use the word "genocide."
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Turkey should have allowed Air Space access to US fighter jets when the 2nd Iraq was commenced.

This is normal behaviour by the USA - its very sensitive and revengefull of being TOLD "NO YOU CANT" on the international stage
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Turkey should have allowed Air Space access to US fighter jets when the 2nd Iraq was commenced.

This is normal behaviour by the USA - its very sensitive and revengefull of being TOLD "NO YOU CANT" on the international stage
United States uses our İncirlik air base.

Turkey is not one of the American National state and it threatens Turkish national security !

Does United States allow an other country Air Space access for fighther jets, anyway?
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United States uses our İncirlik air base.

Turkey is not one of the American National state and it threatens Turkish national security !

Does United States allow an other country Air Space access for fighther jets, anyway?
Turkey should tell Uncle Sam to pack his sorry arse and live the country, and dismantle this base:



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It is impossible cause of a disaster "President"

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Guess your president is a loyal kholop of Uncle Sam. Turks should tell him to pack his bags as well in the next elections.
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Guess your president is a loyal kholop of Uncle Sam. Turks should tell him to pack his bags as well in the next elections.
I am sure we will get rid of him. Fog can't stay top of the hill forever.

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Turkey represents a problem for the yanks and vice-versa. Turkey has what it considers to be its own domestic problems in respect to sorting out its issue of Kurdish 'terrorism'. But in order for the Turks to sort out their problem with the Kurds it has been necessary for the Turkish army to enter into Kurdish Iraq. However, after invading the Kurdish part of Iraq, they were told in no uncertain terms by the yanks that this action was totally unacceptable. Why? Because the yanks are currently attempting to nurture the support of the Kurds in this region of Iraq, and to a large extent they are succeeding in this strategy.

This, incidentally, explains why some of the polls are more favourable towards the continuation of US occupation in Iraq than would otherwise be the case. In other words, the support the Kurds are giving the yanks is skewing the polls. It's the time honoured strategy of divide and rule in order to conquer that I am talking about here. Anyway, the US empire has the monopoly with regards to invading other people's countries. Anybody else who attempts to do so has to do it on the condition that the empire is in full agreement.

Now, the US is also concurrently attempting to nurture the support of the Turks, but it cannot be seen as supporting BOTH the Kurds and the Turks for fear of alienating one or both of these communities. So you see the US is diplomatically in a very tricky situation.

The Kurds have also been betrayed by the yanks in the past, and therefore they are only too aware of the likelihood of further duplicitious behaviour from the empire. The Kurds, Turks and yanks are in effect all caught between a rock and a hard place, and all are vieing for, and indeed, need each others support. Something has got to give.

I predict that once again, the Kurds will be let down by the yanks despite giving them their unconditional support for the Iraqi adventure. The yanks currently have the Kurds 'on-side' but the yanks need the Turks 'on-side' more than their Kurdish counterparts in the long-term particularly given the fact that US strategy in Iraq is increasingly veering towards a re-deployment of US troops from Iraq to Afghanistan following the expected Obama victory in the forthcoming US elections.

What's the moral of the story as far as the Kurds are concerned in this sorry tale? Answer: DON'T EVER DO DEALS WITH THE US EMPIRE. Unfortunately though, the Kurds never appear to listen, which is why I have no sympathy for them.
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Lets open a new thread about Turco-American relations... and discuss

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