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Old 08-07-2008, 08:43 AM
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My kids are my proptery. There only role in their life is to get educated be very smart, mow lawns do chores and get high paying jobs so they can support Dad so i can retire early in style!!!!!
I truly hope you said that with tongue in cheek.

I'm not sure "property" is the right word to describe children. Instead, parents are the "caretakers" of the children until they become adults. Some parents do seem to regard their kids as their property, which in and of itself is not abusive, just a crummy way to regard another human being.

It seems to be mighty difficult to revoke parental "rights" when abuse or neglect is involved, sometimes with tragic consequences for the kid. Also, I have seen divorcing couples use the kids to get back at each other. A relative of mine was accused by his estranged wife of sexually abusing the kids and could only visit them under supervision, until he was cleared of the allegations.
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Who here doesn't think three years of abandonment is child abuse?
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you would be surprised how destructive removing a kid from their parents can be. That's why it is not up to the normal people to asses these things. They don't really have any idea of the consequences. Leave it to professionals who know what impact certain decisions have.
Regular people should have a voice in these matters as well! Psychobabble doesn't always reveal the real world truth! just take a look at paroled repeat offenders paroled on advice of "mental health professionals".

Regular people have parents, have expereinced various difficulties in life, and are very capable of making tough determinations like this!
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A relative of mine was accused by his estranged wife of sexually abusing the kids and could only visit them under supervision, until he was cleared of the allegations.
This is why false accusations ought to result in very long jail terms ... and I suggest that the sentence for making false accusations ought to be the exact same as the sentence for the crime the other person was falsely accused.
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My kids are my proptery. There only role in their life is to get educated be very smart, mow lawns do chores and get high paying jobs so they can support Dad so i can retire early in style!!!!!
I'm sorry, but you expect them to become educated and be real smart when you didn't even spell property right in your post?

I just thought it was funny! I am no spelling expert myself, and my fingers often get tangled up around keyboards!
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Also, I have seen divorcing couples use the kids to get back at each other.
Any parent petty enough to use their kids to get back at the other parents ought to be stripped of all parental rights and spayed/neutered.
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This is why false accusations ought to result in very long jail terms ... and I suggest that the sentence for making false accusations ought to be the exact same as the sentence for the crime the other person was falsely accused.
I don't disagree! Simply suing the person for malicious prosecution doesn't seem enough. There should be a criminal penalty!
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I volunteered for a family court related organization when I lived in another town, and I was amazed at what a parent had to do before the court would even consider revoking parental rights. It takes some dramatically negligent and/or abusive behavior before these rights are revoked.

What brings this to mind today is a news story I saw this morning where a good samaritan woman in Houston Texas took in a woman and her FIVE children after Hurricane Katrina destroyed their home. Shortly after this family moved in with the good samaritan, the woman left and went back to New Orleans to be with her boyfriend, leaving all FIVE children with the good samaritan. For the next THREE YEARS the good samaritan woman raised these children providing 100% of their financial support and emotional support, while their mother was back in New Orleans doing God knows what.

The mother showed up the other day wanting her children, and the good samaritan had "kidnapped" them and was keeping them away from their mother. The daughter of the good samaritan said that the mother of these children has pulled a knife on the good samaritan woman before and threatened her life. There are numerous other stories of neglect and abusive behavior told by those who observed these behaviors by the mother of the children. The good samaritan says she left out of fear for her life after the mother of the children threatened her life because she told her she was going to call child protective services and report her neglect and abuse, and may start legal proceedings.
The good samaritan should have started legal proceedings well before this point, after a few months of abandonment. Why did she wait until the woman wanted her kids back?

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The media has reported this as a "abduction" and a "kidnapping", which is just ridiculous. The good samaritan has agreed to come back with the children if the authorities will protect her from the mother of the children.
Of course it's a kidnapping, if the woman doesn't have legal custody of the children.

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To make things even more tasty for the idiotic news media, the children are African American and the good samaritan is a white woman. I am sure this will be, if it isn't already, a racial issue! Are there different standards of care expected out of white parents than black parents?

Anyway, it appears as though most states treat children as property, much like a car or a boat. The parents essentially own the children the way most of the laws are written. I believe strongly that this needs to change!
There are no other relevant ways to treat children.

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http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stor....2236efff.html
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Regular people should have a voice in these matters as well! Psychobabble doesn't always reveal the real world truth! just take a look at paroled repeat offenders paroled on advice of "mental health professionals".
in most cases the professionals do a good job. There are some that perform badly though, but that's not the fault of the profession. Realisticly they can make a better judgement then normal uneducated people, because they have more experiene with these situations and their outcome.

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Regular people have parents, have expereinced various difficulties in life, and are very capable of making tough determinations like this!
yes, psychologists don't have parents they grew out of an egg. how could i be so stupid. As i said before, normal people don't see various of these cases. They make decisions based on their own experience. Psychologists mostly have seen alot of these cases and can make a sound judgement.
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Of course it's a kidnapping, if the woman doesn't have legal custody of the children.
And what the hell else should she have done? Maybe she should have just thrown the kids out into the streets and told them, "Sorry, kids, Mommy's gone and she forgoit to leave me a note saying that I could have you!" Is that what you want? The mother left her kids with this woman, she knew exactly where they were, and yet it took her THREE YEARS(!!!) to come to her senses and come back and get them!!! This is not a kidnapping, it is an abandonment!
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