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Old 09-16-2004, 12:23 PM
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Default The relevent issue is that attitudes have changed, not Islam

Muslim terrorists are attempting not only to strike at their perceived enemies, but are also attempting to provoke armed conflict between Islam and the rest of the world which they see as infidels. The changing attitudes in Europe play right into this. If the extremists can provoke people into ostracizing or attacking Muslims in Europe it will provide ever more bitter Muslim recruits.

As for banning religious symbols in schools, many public and private schools in the US and around the world mandate uniforms to help eliminate petty bickering and obvious picking points. Equalizing dress is simply a tool to help maintain order.

My take is that fundamentalists and fanatics of every stripe are dangerous. The irony is that in the US as anger over Islamic fundamentalist violence grows, Christian fundamentalism is on a significant upswing. I'd be happy to be rid of the whole lot of them.

Whose imaginary friend is better is a pissing contest I have zero interest in. I'm not sure why people can't have their own views and be content to leave others alone, but apparently there is some powerful group-think at work that makes this impossible for many. Those that wish to revive the crusades of old with modern weapons may well live just long enough to regret their decision. I already regret it.

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It's good that education is kept out of education.

As for the article, meh. Didn't really convince me.
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America is a country that prides itself on its tolerance of religious freedom. We shouldn't go the route of others who, in my opinion, over react.
over react? How much that ficticious WMD set you back? $200bn ? more??
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America is a country that prides itself on its tolerance of religious freedom. We shouldn't go the route of others who, in my opinion, over react.
over react? How much that ficticious WMD set you back? $200bn ? more??
I was speaking in the context of religions. Are you of some strange sect that worships nerve gas or nuclear weapons? Are you saying that the U.S. entered into the Iraqi conflict on a religious basis? What arguments do you offer that upholds your premise?
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I dont agree, I think these symbols DO do harm.

They create divisions, misunderstanding. They make the wearer an obvious target, instead of trying to stand out in a foreign country, why not concentrate on trying to blend in and fit in instead? When in Rome.........
Whether they fit in or not, you don't know who the terrorist is.
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My take is that fundamentalists and fanatics of every stripe are dangerous. The irony is that in the US as anger over Islamic fundamentalist violence grows, Christian fundamentalism is on a significant upswing. I'd be happy to be rid of the whole lot of them.
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What a hypocrite. It's so easy to thumb your nose at what you clearly don't understand. All you have to do is look to the USA as well as Israel to get a glimpse of how people have BENEFITED from the Judain-Christian PRINCIPALS! Our desire is for peace...not war, but unlike yourself we also know that freedom isn't free. Instead of biting the hand who's been feeding you try to be gracious for your own freedoms. DUH!

Another reason why Bush will win!
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My understanding is that a true Muslim girl not only would not appear in public uncovered, but would also not attend a co-ed school. Muslims are already making some concessions, but I don't see the harm in allowing them to wear a headscarf.
These aslyum seekers/refugees are coming into another country trying to impose their culture. We are saying no, if we were in saudi Arabia you wouldn't see our women being tollerated to wear swimsuits etc.

Fact is they are moving into a country and then set up their own little mini-fortresses i.e arabs will occupy a certian housing region and set up their own stuff seperate to everyone else, making their very own islam community in a foreign country. Therefore they arn't emmigrating to intregrate. They are keeping themselfs seperate, so no religious symbols in schools means that little 'groups/niches arn't forming dependant on their religion and therefore people can intregrate. It's simple, if they want an arab country...stay in one, don't try to annax another.
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