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Old 08-18-2008, 05:35 AM
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I think that the main problem with nuclear power is not that it is dangerous (because, done properly, it is not) but more that it does not solve the problem of "Where the hell are we going to get power when all the non-renewable energy sources are gone?"
True. But it does give us decades until we have to have come up with the answer.

This does not mean we shouldn't be seeking that answer in the meantime.

But you never know when we'll finally get fusion going, or figure out a decent way to generate antimater and use it to kickstart a fision reaction.
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Old 08-18-2008, 05:40 AM
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True. But it does give us decades until we have to have come up with the answer.

This does not mean we shouldn't be seeking that answer in the meantime.

But you never know when we'll finally get fusion going, or figure out a decent way to generate antimater and use it to kickstart a fision reaction.
Or, in the meantime, we could have nuclear power whilst building renewable energy sources like solar and wind whilst researching fusion technology (of course, that one requires a gravity well).
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At any rate, nuclear waste is deadly, but we're getting great at containing it.
Hey you know what else we are getting great at? Not spilling oil!

In Popular Science last month they talked about a bacteria they are using to chew up the spent bi-products of nuclear plants. How about those beans?
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Or, in the meantime, we could have nuclear power whilst building renewable energy sources like solar and wind whilst researching fusion technology (of course, that one requires a gravity well).
Actually with some of the nanotech coming down the pipe I think we're on the verge of a solar revolution.

But the problem with things like solar and wind is their unreliable and non constant production. Unless we can really efficiantly store power they aren't a complete answer either.

Well unless we have collecters on Mercury shipping back antimatter or something.
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At any rate nuclear waste is deadly, but we're getting great at containing it.
I think the obvious compromises on nuclear power are:

1. Regulation. A new nuclear plant proposal must include the best ways to get rid of nuclear waste available. Nothing less.

2. Yes, in your backyard. The disposal/containment of nuclear waste must take place in the region affected by the nuclear power plant... not be placed upon people who do not benefit from the power.
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Old 08-18-2008, 09:25 AM
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I think the obvious compromises on nuclear power are:

1. Regulation. A new nuclear plant proposal must include the best ways to get rid of nuclear waste available. Nothing less.

2. Yes, in your backyard. The disposal/containment of nuclear waste must take place in the region affected by the nuclear power plant... not be placed upon people who do not benefit from the power.
Actually what we should do, and I think increasingly are doing, is store the stuff so we can reuse it later. Right now it's cheaper to just get some new fuel as opposed to reprocessing the old stuff, but that isn't going to be true forever. I think it's going to start changing pretty soon actually.

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Nuclear Power in France

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* France derives over 75% of its electricity from nuclear energy. This is due to a long-standing policy based on energy security.
* France is the world's largest net exporter of electricity due to its very low cost of generation, and gains over EUR 3 billion per year from this.
* France has been very active in developing nuclear technology. Reactors and fuel products and services are a major export.

France has 59 nuclear reactors operated by Electricité de France (EdF) with total capacity of over 63 GWe, supplying over 430 billion kWh per year of electricity, 78% of the total generated there. In 2005 French electricity generation was 549 billion kWh net and consumption 482 billion kWh - 7700 kWh per person. Over the last decade France has exported 60-70 billion kWh net each year and EdF expects exports to continue at 65-70 TWh/yr.

The present situation is due to the French government deciding in 1974, just after the first oil shock, to expand rapidly the country's nuclear power capacity. This decision was taken in the context of France having substantial heavy engineering expertise but few indigenous energy resources. Nuclear energy, with the fuel cost being a relatively small part of the overall cost, made good sense in minimising imports and achieving greater energy security.

As a result of the 1974 decision, France now claims a substantial level of energy independence and almost the lowest cost electricity in Europe. It also has an extremely low level of CO2 emissions per capita from electricity generation, since over 90% of its electricity is nuclear or hydro.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf40.html
Too bad Carter decided to go with Coal instead. Funny, I don't see the French glowing in the dark, in fact they rank 12 in cancer rates per capita behind a lot of non nuclear power countries.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/he...th-from-cancer

Too bad there is a bill in the House Energy committee just sitting there since Jan 2007 that would establish nationwide standards and access to "on grid" solar for home and businesses. What large retail outlet wouldn't jump at the chance to make $.8 a kWh while the sun was shining, IF it was cost effective and home owners too. Schools, government buildings all adding power to the grid during the day along with wind, then transitioning to the idling nuclear plants at night. The money spent on CO2 research would be far better spent on the ideas I specified above, the drop in CO2 would just follow naturally. The beard scratching eggheads have more of a vested interest in saying they don't know for sure because should the day come where they come up with definitive answers, no more funding. A total waste after 10 years. If you took all the billions of research dollars spent, backed up 10 years and spent it on solar, wind and nuclear, we'd be close to energy independence with a low CO2 output too..
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I think that the main problem with nuclear power is not that it is dangerous (because, done properly, it is not) but more that it does not solve the problem of "Where the hell are we going to get power when all the non-renewable energy sources are gone?"
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I think the obvious compromises on nuclear power are:

1. Regulation. A new nuclear plant proposal must include the best ways to get rid of nuclear waste available. Nothing less.

2. Yes, in your backyard. The disposal/containment of nuclear waste must take place in the region affected by the nuclear power plant... not be placed upon people who do not benefit from the power.
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Nuclear power is selfish and immoral.

OK. Let us for a moment assume that modern nuclear power plants cannot melt down and are completely safe. (Google – Nuclear accidents)
Let’s also ignore the cost and time lag of building these perfect reactors, as well as all the problems of decommissioning, and just concentrate on the nuclear waste that they all produce.
One word...

RECYCLE

The only reason we have a nuclear waste build-up is because some lame politicians decided we shouldn't recycle the nuclear fuel. That was a stupid idea then and it is a stupid idea now.
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