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Old 09-20-2004, 11:29 AM
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If Gay couples want to unite like straight couples then they need not call it "marriage". Call it something else and go forward with your right in that aspect but don't call it a "marriage" and everything that a marriage entails.
Are you serious? I doubt any gay person cares what it is called so long as they can unite and have the same rights and protections that married people have. The fact is that civil unions are not available everywhere and even where it is available, it is, at best, a watered-down version of marriage instead of the same institution with a different name.

Isn't it enough for the religious people in this country that gays will never be able to have a religious ceremony? I will never understand how people can enjoy a benefit at the same time they fight to keep others from enjoying the same benefit.
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Old 09-20-2004, 11:32 AM
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Most people in the US are religious, and the Christian/Muslim/Jewish opinion of homosexuality is very clear.

Permanent change will not happen unless you can convince a majority that you are right. We were actually making a lot of progress (according to the polls) until this judicial activism buIIsh!t started...

I believe Homo marriage will be allowed eventually. But their actions have delayed it by decades.
How do you feel about inter-racial marriage?

What makes girl-boy marriage or black-white marriage any different than boy-boy or girl-girl marriage? Again I proclaim that love is love, and that is that. Get over it...live your life, and let others live theirs.
Marriage wasn't defined by white white and black black...it was defined though by a man and a woman...compltely different things.

If Gay couples want to unite like straight couples then they need not call it "marriage". Call it something else and go forward with your right in that aspect but don't call it a "marriage" and everything that a marriage entails.
The problem exists then, that whatever you call it, the union of a gay couple needs to be recognized by the entire nation for it to be equal. It already is referred to as something else. Gay marriage. Can't be any more blunt than that. There cannot be equality by making this a states issue, as some suggest.

As for the correlation of gay marriage to inter-racial marriage, both were setup in an attemp to ban them at one time. This is where the similarity lies. At one time inter-racial marriage was not accepted at all. In fact to this day my girlfriend and I get dirty looks from old men and women sometimes. For what? What is the big deal? How does my being with her hurt these people, or for that matter society? It doesn't. Similarly gay marriage does nothing to hurt these people or society as a whole.
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But I also don't equate homosexuality to race. Choice versus non-choice.
I agree that some people do make a concious decision to be gay. I can't account for these people. But I would have to argue that the majority don't choose it. One of my sisters friends had the sh*t kicked out of him, when he told his dad he was gay. He knew how anti-gay his father was, but couldn't hide who he was any longer. He took that beating because he had to, not because he wanted to.
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If Gay couples want to unite like straight couples then they need not call it "marriage". Call it something else and go forward with your right in that aspect but don't call it a "marriage" and everything that a marriage entails.
Are you serious? I doubt any gay person cares what it is called so long as they can unite and have the same rights and protections that married people have. The fact is that civil unions are not available everywhere and even where it is available, it is, at best, a watered-down version of marriage instead of the same institution with a different name.

Isn't it enough for the religious people in this country that gays will never be able to have a religious ceremony? I will never understand how people can enjoy a benefit at the same time they fight to keep others from enjoying the same benefit.
Civil unions were going to be offered as a compromise in Massachusetts, but GLAD (and many individuals) protested stating they wanted marriage, not civil unions.
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Well I would think this would be a fairly straight forward question for americans - since america is made up of so many cultures, I'd doubt if anyone would bat an eyelid at it. I live in Ireland, and it's nearly unheard off to see a different race nevermind knowing of inter-racial marriage (my eyes are opened at the moment as im at university in london and theres more races there thans imaginable) I'd don't see anything wrong with unions of this type. After all, we are all humans, theres no difference because of skin colour, and infact you find those those of another race, seem to be more attractive than your own.
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I feel about inter-racial marriage the same way I feel about same sex marriage. Nothing wrong with it, and it's none of my business. In fact, I could go one further and say that inter-racial dating/marriage is a very good thing as it gets people to experience different cultures and allows them to grow and become more open. Besides, as a white dude I am of the opinion that Asian women are super hot!
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Civil unions were going to be offered as a compromise in Massachusetts, but GLAD (and many individuals) protested stating they wanted marriage, not civil unions.
The reason was that the rights included within civil unions were not the same as those included within marriage.
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Well I would think this would be a fairly straight forward question for americans - since america is made up of so many cultures, I'd doubt if anyone would bat an eyelid at it. I live in Ireland, and it's nearly unheard off to see a different race nevermind knowing of inter-racial marriage (my eyes are opened at the moment as im at university in london and theres more races there thans imaginable) I'd don't see anything wrong with unions of this type. After all, we are all humans, theres no difference because of skin colour, and infact you find those those of another race, seem to be more attractive than your own.
It is fading away, but for a while there, it was a huge issue. My correlation to gay marriage I feel is quite logical. At one time inter-racial relationships were thought of as taboo, and in most cases people viewed it as morally wrong, many still do. Similarly to the issue of homosexuality. While neither is for everyone, to each his own, it is wrong to make claim that either is wrong. If you love someone of a different race, you can't hide it. You can't keep it to yourself. Same goes for gays. You can't help who you fall in love with. You can't hide your desires. The two issues are indirectly related. While we are moving more toward accepting inter-racial marriages and/or relationships, we are moving away from accepting gay relationships and marriages.
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