Ikari, you are too funny. Anyhow, I agree, inter-racial relationships allow the culture and society as a whole to become more tolerant of one another. Good point. The melting pot is simmering, and it smells good.

I am completely serious. I married a woman of another race when I was in the military. It was a poor idea.

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I agree on the gay marriage as well, I think it's prefectly natural, animals (500+) species have been recorded to have gay couples, so it shows it to be a prefectly normal thing. After all a couple is a couple and if they want the same rights as man/woman marriage then why not. However the only thing i would say is that it should be a civil ceremoney - not in a church. (but thats all they're after anyway- isn't it?)

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It is a very logical jump because the same type of "morality" is used in both instances. There are still places where inter-racial relationships are taboo. Take the white trash portion of my family from Missouri (not saying everyone from Missouri is a white trash, but my mom's side of the family sure as heck is), they are rather racist and firmly believe that races should keep to themselves (I don't think they were pleased when I was dating a girl from India). But if falls under this supposed morality issue where people are so convinced in what they think is right that they don't see the other side. To take it further, they are so convinced that their morality is superior that they wish to prevent other people from pursuing their own happiness in some spiteful attempt to prove themselves correct.

I think I have a unique way of upsetting both Democrats and Republicans on issues (it's the Libertarian in me, I can't help it). But mostly these arguments are devoid of intellect and it bothers me to no end that people will refuse to be rational about things at times (then again, it bothers me that there are people in University that can't do algebra). In matters like this, I really don't see what business of other's it is. If some dude loves a dude, then so be it. It's not my place to say that love is wrong, and it's not my place to forbid them from making a life long (though marriage has become something not so life long these days) commitment to each other. And it's no one else's right to interfere either. It's not like I'm forcing my morality upon another. I do not wish to make any laws that ban a guy and a girl from getting married, nor do I endorse laws that would require a guy marry a guy or a girl marry a girl. Marry whomever you want, go to work, pay taxes, consume, and mow your lawn (for the love of all that is holy mow your lawn!). Beyond that, if you are not hurting others or infringing upon other's rights I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*)ed as to what you do. It's none of my business, and to be honest, I have more things to worry about.

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Um...no. I would vote in favor of it. I am against judicial activism...not against gay marriage. Or inter-racial marriage.

Heh heh heh...um, not quite (right EuP?)

Um...no. Everything is legal unless specifically amde illegal. There is no Constitutional right to marriage, even for heterosexuals. Until there is, it can be denied to anyone if laws are passed doing so.

Being gay myself, yes, I am aware there are gays in every state, heh heh. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything...the fact that they exist in every state does not automatically make it a federal issue.

The only way to effect permanent change is to alter their views by reason. We already know this is possible...it's already happened before. Judicial activism is temporary at best, and counter-productive at worst.

Personally, I would have no problem with civil unions. I am an atheist, so I could care less what the church thinks either way. I just want the legal rights. If it makes them feel better to call it "gross homosexual parody of marriage" instead of "marriage"...go for it.

They didn't talk about what rights were and weren't included. Their argument was that it creates a second class of citizen by calling one arrangement civil unions and the other marriage.

Unheard of? There are now many people in Ireland from Spain and I believe Sierra Leone (one of the western African countries anyway). There are several towns near Shannon where you can't walk without seeing them. Galway has plenty of both as well. In fact, I understand it's a big controversy because they are given free health and it's creating budgetary problems there.

Inter-racial? No problem.

Same sex? No problem.

But inter-racial same sex? THAT"S AN ABOMINATION AGAINST NATURE!!!

I'm in Northern Ireland/Belfast. It's surprising how few people wanted to emmigrate to a country where they might get blown up. As a second point to that, if we kill each other over religion/politics - you can be pretty sure there may be a few 'disagreements' over race as there currently has been with the bombings now pretty much stopped.

In 2000, Alabama voters repealed a ban on interracial marriage. It had been in the state constitution for over a century. The fact is that hardly anyone even knew that the ban was still there, because interracial marriage was not that unusual. Interracial couples had been married in Alabama for years while the ban was supposedly in effect. My point is that the law came after acceptance. I believe that this would support Sadistic's argument against judicial activism.

That said, I would also point out that Sadistic-Saviour has a better understanding of other people's viewpoints than most people. Even though he is atheist, he seems willing to respect the fact that some people's religion prevents them from approving of gay marriage.

I believe that gay marriage is a religious issue. In other words, without religion, there is no argument against it.

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