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I thought you were mentioning Ireland, northern is definitely different!
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If Gay couples want to unite like straight couples then they need not call it "marriage". Call it something else and go forward with your right in that aspect but don't call it a "marriage" and everything that a marriage entails.
I'll even give support to total equality of a same sex union on a legal basis. I just don't want the meaning of the word "marriage" re-defined.
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I'll even give support to total equality of a same sex union on a legal basis. I just don't want the meaning of the word "marriage" re-defined.

Why not, Senax? What would happen if it were defined as a union of two people, rather than a man and a woman?
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I'll even give support to total equality of a same sex union on a legal basis. I just don't want the meaning of the word "marriage" re-defined.

Why not, Senax? What would happen if it were defined as a union of two people, rather than a man and a woman?
I don't care if you call it marriage or not. I don't care id you redefine the meaning of marriage or not.

I support the recognition by the government of the union of two people, homosexual or heterosexual, and hence the application of both responsabilities and rights.
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There are actually 2 issues here. 1st, The union of 2 people should be between those 2 people and God or whatever those people believe in. There should not be a fee, a license, a registration or anything. The government should stay out of that aspect of peoples lives. Unfortunately that is not the case.

2nd, same sex marriage is not the real issue here. It is the nationwide recognition, acknowledgment and acceptance of homosexuality. These people in the gay community do not care about marriage. They want everyone to know they are gay and to acknowledge it. Tolerance is not enough for them. They see marriage as the ultimate recognition, not because they even believe in marriage, but because they see it as a justification of their homosexuality itself.

And to the original topic, Interracial marriage, not a thing in the world wrong with it.
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If Gay couples want to unite like straight couples then they need not call it "marriage". Call it something else and go forward with your right in that aspect but don't call it a "marriage" and everything that a marriage entails.
Are you serious? I doubt any gay person cares what it is called so long as they can unite and have the same rights and protections that married people have. The fact is that civil unions are not available everywhere and even where it is available, it is, at best, a watered-down version of marriage instead of the same institution with a different name.

Isn't it enough for the religious people in this country that gays will never be able to have a religious ceremony? I will never understand how people can enjoy a benefit at the same time they fight to keep others from enjoying the same benefit.

I am very serious...they want to have a union between a man and a man or a woman and a woman go through the necessary means to create your own union...the unity of a man and a woman with benefits that follow were made in our history for only those which it stated, a man and a woman, a belief and union that was created under god. That is what history will point out...I don't think it should be so simply as to say ok you all can get "married" and benefit accordingly because simply you want to and ignore the tradition that set marriage in place historically.
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If Gay couples want to unite like straight couples then they need not call it "marriage". Call it something else and go forward with your right in that aspect but don't call it a "marriage" and everything that a marriage entails.
I'll even give support to total equality of a same sex union on a legal basis. I just don't want the meaning of the word "marriage" re-defined.
I support your idea...as long as it is nationally recognized as opposed to state by state and the benefits are exactly the same as if it were a man and a woman. Call it whatever you like, I'm hoping gays are not that critical of it. Though, they probably are. I can see both sides of that issue. I think the simple fact that the union of gays will never be recognized by accredited churches and religions is enough to separate the two forms of marriage however. Being wedded surrounded by cement block walls and scuffed up marble floors isn't very romantic if you ask me.
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Most people in the US are religious, and the Christian/Muslim/Jewish opinion of homosexuality is very clear.

Permanent change will not happen unless you can convince a majority that you are right. We were actually making a lot of progress (according to the polls) until this judicial activism buIIsh!t started...

I believe Homo marriage will be allowed eventually. But their actions have delayed it by decades.
How do you feel about inter-racial marriage?

What makes girl-boy marriage or black-white marriage any different than boy-boy or girl-girl marriage? Again I proclaim that love is love, and that is that. Get over it...live your life, and let others live theirs.
Marriage wasn't defined by white white and black black...it was defined though by a man and a woman...compltely different things.

If Gay couples want to unite like straight couples then they need not call it "marriage". Call it something else and go forward with your right in that aspect but don't call it a "marriage" and everything that a marriage entails.
The problem exists then, that whatever you call it, the union of a gay couple needs to be recognized by the entire nation for it to be equal. It already is referred to as something else. Gay marriage. Can't be any more blunt than that. There cannot be equality by making this a states issue, as some suggest.

As for the correlation of gay marriage to inter-racial marriage, both were setup in an attemp to ban them at one time. This is where the similarity lies. At one time inter-racial marriage was not accepted at all. In fact to this day my girlfriend and I get dirty looks from old men and women sometimes. For what? What is the big deal? How does my being with her hurt these people, or for that matter society? It doesn't. Similarly gay marriage does nothing to hurt these people or society as a whole.

Why do people have to be forced to agree with a union that wasn't created for them? Also when marriage came to it did not say anything about same race conditions...it did however base it's union on the unity of a man and a woman, by the blessing of God. This is a tradition that a lot of people don't feel they need change simply because someone wants it changed, they went recognition...I think the homosexual community, htough I don't have a personal problem with, flaunt their sexuality in everyone else's faces and it just really rubs people the wrong way...do you need to claim a rainbow as a symbol for your sexuality? Do you need to have parades just for your sexuality? Why not have a strictly heterosexual parade or heterosexual symbol flaunted in the heterosexual community? If that happened all hell would break loose and rights activists would be all over it like flies on poop.

Where do you draw the line?
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