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Old 08-28-2008, 02:16 PM
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Hillary Clinton losing the nomination. Rush Limbaugh and his feminazi rhetoric.

The father's value in the home has increased, not decreased thanks to feminism. Father's get custody more often. Fathers are stay at home dads. Fathers are birth coaches and present at the birth of their children. Thanks to feminism.

Women share in the financial responsibilities at home. Men participate more in child rearing than ever.

Your example of the commercials is unscientific and IMO silly. It has nothing to do with your basic premise, which appears to be that feminism has brought more harm than good.
You really think Hillary lost because of an anti-feminist backlash? I think she lost because she ran a sorry campaign full of mistakes. Sniperfire in Kosovo anyone?

See, the bolded portion is the fundamental problem at hand. You guys just are not reading my words for their clear and obvious intent. You are twisting them into the parody that you think they are because you can't enter a discussion on this issue with a man without bringing preconceptions of how I will act and speak.

I DON'T THINK THAT FEMINISM HAS BROUGHT MORE HARM THAN GOOD!!!!

I think that some women have taken bastardized interpretations of feminism and morphed them into a radical version that has done far more harm than good.
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I didn't say that you said they were not people and I did not mean to imply that that is what you meant.

I simply reminded everyone that they are still people.

Of course they are responsible for the things that they have done. But that does not mean we can not feel compasion for them.

What good is it if you only love the lovable, do not even evil people do that?
I think this is what you are looking for: Matthew 5:46 (NASB) "For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?"

I can love someone and not feel sorry for them. I can love someone and not see them as the victim when they harm someone else. I can love someone and not care about their feelings if they harm someone else.
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I didn't say that you said they were not people and I did not mean to imply that that is what you meant.

I simply reminded everyone that they are still people.

Of course they are responsible for the things that they have done. But that does not mean we can not feel compasion for them.

What good is it if you only love the lovable, do not even evil people do that?
Victims of crime and their families naturally receive our kind regard and concern for their suffering.

We have to really work at generating an equal, kind regard for a harm doer. It doesn't come naturally or easily. One has to train to do so.

But this kind of compassion arises as a side effect of a high degree of realization by enlightened masters of awareness. It is possible for a human being to develop immeasurable compassion and equanimity.

HH the Dalai Lama is an example. He doesn't hate the Chinese even though they murdered millions of Tibetans, and descrated Buddhist monasteries thoughout Tibet.
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You really think Hillary lost because of an anti-feminist backlash? I think she lost because she ran a sorry campaign full of mistakes. Sniperfire in Kosovo anyone?
Yep... she ran a pretty sorry campaign. She is the only one to blame for her bloated snafu of a Presidential campaign. A feminist backlash has nothing to do with it.
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You really think Hillary lost because of an anti-feminist backlash? I think she lost because she ran a sorry campaign full of mistakes. Sniperfire in Kosovo anyone?

See, the bolded portion is the fundamental problem at hand. You guys just are not reading my words for their clear and obvious intent. You are twisting them into the parody that you think they are because you can't enter a discussion on this issue with a man without bringing preconceptions of how I will act and speak.

I DON'T THINK THAT FEMINISM HAS BROUGHT MORE HARM THAN GOOD!!!!

I think that some women have taken bastardized interpretations of feminism and morphed them into a radical version that has done far more harm than good.
Wow.

Show me an example of a 'bastardized radical interpretation of feminism' that has done more harm than good.

I agree that Hillary made mistakes in her campaign. One mistake she made was in emphasizing herself as a woman candidate.
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/...-feminist.html

Obama would not be having the nomination today if he emphasized his 'blackness'.

Yes. I think Clinton failure to win the nomination lies in playing up feminism. Would you have voted for her?

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I think this is what you are looking for: Matthew 5:46 (NASB) "For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?"

I can love someone and not feel sorry for them. I can love someone and not see them as the victim when they harm someone else. I can love someone and not care about their feelings if they harm someone else.
That is exactly the verse I was speaking of. The reason I didn't state it as such is that many people don't trust the Bible. You can tell them something and they will believe it just fine, but if they find out it is in the Bible then you are in trouble.

Now that we are in the Bible, why don't we look at what love is? Notice how anger sets itself up in oposition to love.

This is from the love chapter, 1 corinthians 13

Love is patient ---- Anger spurns you to thoughtless action
Love is kind ---- Kindness is charitable while anger is hostile
It does not envy ---- Anger thinks only of what it wants
It does not boast ---- Anger is generally proud
It is not proud ----
It is not rude ---- Anger often rude
It is not self seeking ---- anger cares only for self
It is not easily angered
It keeps no record of wrongs ---- that would include rape and murder

It does not delight in evil, that would mean that love would feel sorrow for those trapped in evil.

I think you can see how anger sets itself up in oposition to love.

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That is exactly the verse I was speaking of. The reason I didn't state it as such is that many people don't trust the Bible. You can tell them something and they will believe it just fine, but if they find out it is in the Bible then you are in trouble.

Now that we are in the Bible, why don't we look at what love is? Notice how anger sets itself up in oposition to love.

This is from the love chapter, 1 corinthians 13

Love is patient ---- Anger spurns you to thoughtless action
Love is kind ---- Kindness is charitable while anger is hostile
It does not envy ---- Anger thinks only of what it wants
It does not boast ---- Anger is generally proud
It is not proud ----
It is not rude ---- Anger often rude
It is not self seeking ---- anger cares only for self
It is not easily angered
It keeps no record of wrongs ---- that would include rape and murder

It does not delight in evil, that would mean that love would feel sorrow for those trapped in evil.

I think you can see how anger sets itself up against love.

I think you can see how anger sets itself up in oposition to love.
It's often someone who is angry who defends anger. Here's an example of feminist backlash:

Washington University is giving Phyllis Schlafly an honorary doctorate. Let me run that by you again. Washington University, the distinguished 155-year-old seat of higher learning in St. Louis, is giving an honorary degree to Phyllis Schlafly--archfoe of the Equal Rights Amendment, the United Nations, Darwinism and other newfangled notions, and the promoter of innumerable crackpot far-right conspiracy theories who called the Bomb "a marvelous gift that was given to our country by a wise God."

Her eighty-two years haven't mellowed her one bit: last year she blamed the Virginia Tech massacre on the English department; called intellectual men "liberal slobs"; advocated banning women from traditionally male occupations like construction, firefighting and the military; and defended men's property rights over their wives' vaginas ("by getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don't think you can call it rape").

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Wow.

Show me an example of a 'bastardized radical interpretation of feminism' that has done more harm than good.
Umm how about the multiple examples in this thread of women who teach or imply to the men in their lives that women are superior?

Women like that have a "bastardized radical interpretation of feminism."
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That is exactly the verse I was speaking of. The reason I didn't state it as such is that many people don't trust the Bible. You can tell them something and they will believe it just fine, but if they find out it is in the Bible then you are in trouble.

Now that we are in the Bible, why don't we look at what love is? Notice how anger sets itself up in oposition to love.

This is from the love chapter, 1 corinthians 13

Love is patient ---- Anger spurns you to thoughtless action
Love is kind ---- Kindness is charitable while anger is hostile
It does not envy ---- Anger thinks only of what it wants
It does not boast ---- Anger is generally proud
It is not proud ----
It is not rude ---- Anger often rude
It is not self seeking ---- anger cares only for self
It is not easily angered
It keeps no record of wrongs ---- that would include rape and murder

It does not delight in evil, that would mean that love would feel sorrow for those trapped in evil.

I think you can see how anger sets itself up in oposition to love.
Are you serious? You can't just take portions of Scripture that you like and do away with the rest.

It says that love is not easily angered, meaning that it can be angered.

Scripture also teaches that God remembers the sins of those that are not saved but does not remember the sins of those that become saved. What do you think of that?
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Umm how about the multiple examples in this thread of women who teach or imply to the men in their lives that women are superior?

Women like that have a "bastardized radical interpretation of feminism."
Be specific. Who are the 'women like that'?

If you think a post on this thread represents a 'bastardized radical interpretation of feminism' quote the words of the post, justify the label and present your counterargument.
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