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Old 08-27-2008, 12:55 PM
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When was the last time you saw a civil servant get fired?
Seriously?
About three months ago.
I rarely ever saw people get fired in the private sector either, aside from for the obvious problem of no-call-no-shows (usually a few in a row). Of course, that would happen to a civil servant as well... But really, I've never seen no-call-no-shows with civil servants!

I've also seen dirty tricks to cut people from insurance benefits in civil service, just like in the private sector.

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No matter how much there moved, from job to job, they hang on and their paycheck and pension is guaranteed.
Well... in this case you seem to have jumped to people whose jobs have disappeared, not people who deserve firing for violation. They don't get new jobs created out of nowhere. They get first dibs at an open job. Government jobs hire first from the inside. It's a perk they get to compensate for lower pay.
And most private sector jobs will move a person who is laid off to another open position before firing them. I was offered a transfer at the last private sector job I had... and I took the severence pay instead (I was on my way to a new job anyway).
And pension.... Yeah, right. Most of us are on 401k's these days, just like you.
The older ones get the pensions they were promised... but are pressured into buy-outs, just as with your industry.

And keep in mind, that's only federal.
Us in local government... if we move across the country... our benefits and seniority are done. You have a better chance of "keeping your pay and pension" working for a large corporation... which will usually transfer you if a position is available... much like the federal government!


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In the private sector, "gone in sixty seconds".
I have not seen that hold true quite frankly.
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Please show us where that actually happened.
Here ya' are.

I'd roll my eyes at this to after I read this.

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* "I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire." --Robin Morgan, in 1974 (Current Editor of Ms Magazine.)

* "All men are rapists and that’s all they are." – Marilyn French, Author, "The Women’s Room.

* "My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach, and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter." --Marilyn French, in "The Woman’s Room."

* "Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women’s bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin.

* "And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative difference." -- Susan Griffin "Rape: The All-American Crime."

* When asked: "You [Greer] were once quoted as saying your idea of the ideal man is a woman with a dick. Are you still that way inclined? Dr. Greer, (denying she said it responded): "I have a great deal of difficulty with the idea of the ideal man. As far as I’m concerned, men are the product of a damaged gene. They pretend to be normal but what they’re doing sitting there with benign smiles on their faces is they’re manufacturing sperm. They do it all the time. They never stop. I mean, we women are more reasonable. We pop one follicle every 28 days, whereas they are producing 400 million sperm for each ejaculation, most of which don’t take place anywhere near an ovum. I don’t know that the ecosphere can tolerate it." -- Dr. Germaine Greer, at a Hilton Hotel literary lunch, promoting her book The Change—Women, Aging and the Menopause. From a news report dated 14/11/91.

* "The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist" – Ti-Grace Atkinson , Amazon Odyssey, p. 86.

* "When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression." -- Sheila Jeffrys.

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and for lying about credentials on the resume.
Ah, that reminds me of the person I saw let go after being accepted because it was retroactively decided that the qualifications were not good enough.

That's part of the reason you see fewer of the obvious offenses that get people fired in private sector jobs at low levels... It's harder to get into a civil service job for the lower positions as well as paying less.
Security is really the only major perk.
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Here ya' are.

I'd roll my eyes at this to after I read this.
It's a bunch of stuff that is a) radical feminists, b) hyperbole.

Radical feminists are not thenorm for feminists. And they are no more harmful than misogynistic reactionaries.
And hyperbole is by definition- exagerrated.
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It's a bunch of stuff that is a) radical feminists, b) hyperbole.

Radical feminists are not thenorm for feminists. And they are no more harmful than misogynistic reactionaries.
And hyperbole is by definition- exagerrated.
I have no problem with and strongly support equality for women.

By this I mean equal pay for equal work, the right to vote, domestic violence laws, and so on.

However, I strongly feel that women have moved from an oppressed position to one where they feel the need to oppress every member of the gender from which their former tormenters came. Men in America are not encouraged to be masculine. The macho male is often denegrated and the 'average Joe' is pictured as a fat slob with no work ethic, sexual integrity, or mental capacity.

Just look at advertising.

The feminist movement got greedy and it will burn them.
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Here ya' are.

I'd roll my eyes at this to after I read this.
Those people are laughed at by mainstream women who care passionately about equal rights for women (i.e., true feminists). I have yet to see, or hear, any mainstream woman bash men in general - only rants against the obnoxious husband or boyfriend, or the sexist boss.

Trying to pin the rantings of a small group of lunatics on all feminists is like trying to say that all blacks are criminals because a black person commits a crime. I've seen that too.
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The feminist movement in this country is doing it's best to undermine the role of men in society... and they have already had several successes. They are a growing cancer in this Country... much like the gay rights movement and the attempts to irradicate God from public institutions.
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Right before male bashing/trying to convert males into females with boy parts.
Who is doing these things? Do you feel pressure to grow female parts?
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The feminist movement in this country is doing it's best to undermine the role of men in society... and they have already had several successes. They are a growing cancer in this Country... much like the gay rights movement and the attempts to irradicate God from public institutions.

Why so defensive? Sounds like the whining of a male insecure in his own masculinity.

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Why so defensive? Sounds like the whining of a male insecure in his own masculinity.
Nice. So men cannot even comment on this issue without a) being women-haters or b) being insecure whiners.

I'll keep that in mind.
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