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Old 08-27-2008, 01:08 PM
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Those people are laughed at by mainstream women who care passionately about equal rights for women (i.e., true feminists). I have yet to see, or hear, any mainstream woman bash men in general - only rants against the obnoxious husband or boyfriend, or the sexist boss.

Trying to pin the rantings of a small group of lunatics on all feminists is like trying to say that all blacks are criminals because a black person commits a crime. I've seen that too.
Ok, how bout a true story, one from my own experience.

I made some mistakes when I was younger. I has sex with a woman out of wedlock, and a child was created. (she's going to be 11 in Nov) The mistake was that I didn't get to know her mother well enough. The woman was a psycho. Very controlling, insecure and physically abusive, you see I was raised by a feminist. And as a son of a feminist, it was modeled to me that the woman was the ruling force in the home, so I let the abuse happen for a short time.
I came to my senses thanks to a close friend and got up the nerve to leave after she had me on the bed choking me and screaming in my face because I wasn't home to answer the phone. (I was at the beach with our 6 month old daughter)
Her mother has a history of violence, drugs and drinking. Yet I barely won custody.

Later in court for child support, the court allowed her to go from $100/mo to $25/mo so she wouldn't get farther in the hole. In 11 years she has NEVER been caught up, and she has NEVER been punished mostly because she isn't a deadbeat "father" If it were me who owed the money I would have been in jail several times.

So tell me where the system isn't biased towards women because of feminism?
P.S. I could go on more but I'm keeping this short.
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Old 08-27-2008, 01:37 PM
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Nice. So men cannot even comment on this issue without a) being women-haters or b) being insecure whiners.

I'll keep that in mind.

I vote for b in this case.
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Ok, how bout a true story, one from my own experience.

I made some mistakes when I was younger. I has sex with a woman out of wedlock, and a child was created. (she's going to be 11 in Nov) The mistake was that I didn't get to know her mother well enough. The woman was a psycho. Very controlling, insecure and physically abusive, you see I was raised by a feminist. And as a son of a feminist, it was modeled to me that the woman was the ruling force in the home, so I let the abuse happen for a short time.
I came to my senses thanks to a close friend and got up the nerve to leave after she had me on the bed choking me and screaming in my face because I wasn't home to answer the phone. (I was at the beach with our 6 month old daughter)
Her mother has a history of violence, drugs and drinking. Yet I barely won custody.

Later in court for child support, the court allowed her to go from $100/mo to $25/mo so she wouldn't get farther in the hole. In 11 years she has NEVER been caught up, and she has NEVER been punished mostly because she isn't a deadbeat "father" If it were me who owed the money I would have been in jail several times.

So tell me where the system isn't biased towards women because of feminism?
P.S. I could go on more but I'm keeping this short.
Maybe her experiences with one particular man made her this way?
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Maybe her experiences with one particular man made her this way?
Are you here to do anything other than troll? The guy posts a story about his own life and you turn around and blame him for it.

Just grow up.
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I currently belong to an online political community that harvests lots of Conservatives. One in particular claims that Feminism and Liberalism is implementing the absolute pussification America. This guy who calls himself Ghost, also claims that the Republican party has been hijacked by Liberals and Feminists. Listen to his rhetoric.
I'm probably more liberal than conservative, but I think the guy's right. The fact that the Republican party has been hijacked by the left is easily verifiable, and that's the essence of what the neoconservative movement is. Domestically it is not fiscally responsible, it favors immigration and neglects illegal immigration, and it has a foreign policy that has liberal written all over it.

So on this count we can easily verify that the Republican party has been hijacked, and certainly isn't what it was some years ago. And the ultra liberalism that's being pushed through Hollywood and the media generally undoubtedly has the effect of breaking down social boundaries, undermining social cohesion, and promoting moral decadence. There's a liberal culture that passionately opposes the traditional customs of the United States, it's patriotism, it's Christian roots, and its sexual and other social boundaries. I guess depending on where you stand, these can all be good things, but I don't think this brand of liberalism is in the interest of most Americans.
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Maybe her experiences with one particular man made her this way?
You missed it completley, I don't know or care what happened to my daughters mother, she has moved halfway across the country without telling our daughter, I was lucky enough to have to explain that to a 10yr old.

My point was how the court system has totally favored her throughout the entirety of this. It's as if she can't do anything wrong. The system is biased against men.

Why don't they call it "deadbeat parents"? Instead of deadbeat dads?
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Ok, how bout a true story, one from my own experience.

I made some mistakes when I was younger. I has sex with a woman out of wedlock, and a child was created. (she's going to be 11 in Nov) The mistake was that I didn't get to know her mother well enough. The woman was a psycho. Very controlling, insecure and physically abusive, you see I was raised by a feminist. And as a son of a feminist, it was modeled to me that the woman was the ruling force in the home, so I let the abuse happen for a short time.
I came to my senses thanks to a close friend and got up the nerve to leave after she had me on the bed choking me and screaming in my face because I wasn't home to answer the phone. (I was at the beach with our 6 month old daughter)
Her mother has a history of violence, drugs and drinking. Yet I barely won custody.

Later in court for child support, the court allowed her to go from $100/mo to $25/mo so she wouldn't get farther in the hole. In 11 years she has NEVER been caught up, and she has NEVER been punished mostly because she isn't a deadbeat "father" If it were me who owed the money I would have been in jail several times.

So tell me where the system isn't biased towards women because of feminism?
P.S. I could go on more but I'm keeping this short.
Actually on the support issue, thats how women are treated as well.

My sister hasnt gotten support from her childrens father for 15 years now. He gets his full visitation as well. They just got back 2 weeks ago from spending the summer with him...as they do, by court order every single summer (and alternating holidays). He moved out of state while they were BOTH in diapers and the youngest was only 5 weeks old.

Its not true that men go to jail that easy for non-payment of support, not by a long shot! Its a myth!

Why do you say you were raised by a "feminist" as if this is the same as "abusive mother" or dominating? Feminist doesnt mean to "dominate" and just because some people like to take things and get all twisted about them doesnt mean they actually have the power to change what feminism really is...equal value and oppurtunity.

You blame your mothers feminism because you chose a partner badly? Listen, I chose badly as well so I can relate, but I dont blame my daddy for it or his traditional and conservative outlook. I just realize I made a bad choice, I tried to learn from it as best I could and also accepted that I would probably make MORE bad choices in my life and will never reach a point where I am perfect nor can I can I count on being lucky nor will I always do the right thing and make the right choices.
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Are you here to do anything other than troll? The guy posts a story about his own life and you turn around and blame him for it.

Just grow up.

This guy based his rantings regarding an entire movement on one failed relationship. Sorry if you don't like the fact that I called him on it.
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This guy based his rantings regarding an entire movement on one failed relationship. Sorry if you don't like the fact that I called him on it.
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I believe feminism has been taken too far in some instances. Giving women a right to vote was definitely good. Equal pay for equal work, also good. But in the process of women "empowering" themselves, children and family has been left by the wayside. Who is home raising our kids? No one, they are in daycare. Being raised by some stranger who probably has a house full, or worse a center with dozens of kids. Do you think these kids get the love, attention and direction they need to develop into great adults? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that women need to stay home and raise kids, men can stay home and do a fine job as well.

And what about the effects on men? Now all of the sudden it's cool to hate and bash men. Watch most sitcoms and commercials, men are portrayed as bumbling idiots. Either that, or men aren't allowed to be men. We men are expected to get in touch with our "feminine side". We need men to be men, and stand up for what's right against what's wrong. Not sit down and talk about "feelings".

So what I'm saying is that there has been some good done by the feminist movement, but I feel it has been taken too far.
He is not 'ranting' on an entire movement; he is discussing the problems arising out of the excesses of the feminist movement.

Nice try though. Try to have just a little bit of class and respect next time, ok?
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