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Old 08-27-2008, 02:40 PM
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I skipped around that guy's broadcast. The guy sounds like a bigot, but I can agree with him to some agree. Many movements for freedom have the opportunity to go to a greater extreme than was meant. It's like raising someone with a sheltered life, and then releasing them out in the world. In trying to try new things and accept new ideologies, it can take someone to an extreme that is pretty trashy. The (liberal) media also sells lifestyles of excess for young individuals and exposes them to irresponsible behavior that is not wise. I can see this in my younger sister who wants to date at the age of 10, while not having an ounce of maturity. The only thing I don't think he was exaggerating about is the fact that the Republican party is becoming fiscally liberal, while maintaining low taxes. Obviously extremely irresponsible and not conservative at all.

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Ok, how bout a true story, one from my own experience.

I made some mistakes when I was younger. I has sex with a woman out of wedlock, and a child was created. (she's going to be 11 in Nov) The mistake was that I didn't get to know her mother well enough. The woman was a psycho. Very controlling, insecure and physically abusive, you see I was raised by a feminist. And as a son of a feminist, it was modeled to me that the woman was the ruling force in the home, so I let the abuse happen for a short time.
I came to my senses thanks to a close friend and got up the nerve to leave after she had me on the bed choking me and screaming in my face because I wasn't home to answer the phone. (I was at the beach with our 6 month old daughter)
Her mother has a history of violence, drugs and drinking. Yet I barely won custody.

Later in court for child support, the court allowed her to go from $100/mo to $25/mo so she wouldn't get farther in the hole. In 11 years she has NEVER been caught up, and she has NEVER been punished mostly because she isn't a deadbeat "father" If it were me who owed the money I would have been in jail several times.

So tell me where the system isn't biased towards women because of feminism?
P.S. I could go on more but I'm keeping this short.
I'm truly sorry about your experiences, and I hope that that's the last time some woman mistreats you so much.

However, you can't blame feminists for what happened. There are bad women just as there are bad men, and unfortunately, you were involved with one.

For every horror story like yours, I can tell you one from a woman's perspective, a woman who has been screwed over by the ex boyfriend or ex husband, and then by the courts.
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Maybe her experiences with one particular man made her this way?

so she stays a victim for the rest of her life, and is constantly reminded to never forgive, forget and move on, by what most Americans call feminist. Victims of violent crimes are counciled to forgive and move on with their life, but feminist are taught to wallow in their self pity and keep the hurt alive, and to continue to punish anyone who gets in their way.
But I don't believe feminism is ruining America, there isn't enough of them.
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Old 08-27-2008, 04:28 PM
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Actually on the support issue, thats how women are treated as well.

My sister hasnt gotten support from her childrens father for 15 years now. He gets his full visitation as well. They just got back 2 weeks ago from spending the summer with him...as they do, by court order every single summer (and alternating holidays). He moved out of state while they were BOTH in diapers and the youngest was only 5 weeks old.

Its not true that men go to jail that easy for non-payment of support, not by a long shot! Its a myth!

Why do you say you were raised by a "feminist" as if this is the same as "abusive mother" or dominating? Feminist doesnt mean to "dominate" and just because some people like to take things and get all twisted about them doesnt mean they actually have the power to change what feminism really is...equal value and oppurtunity.

You blame your mothers feminism because you chose a partner badly? Listen, I chose badly as well so I can relate, but I dont blame my daddy for it or his traditional and conservative outlook. I just realize I made a bad choice, I tried to learn from it as best I could and also accepted that I would probably make MORE bad choices in my life and will never reach a point where I am perfect nor can I can I count on being lucky nor will I always do the right thing and make the right choices.
I've been researching child support in my state, and I've found numorous cases where men are held in contempt for a much smaller ammount of arrears, and had their licenses revoked, and ended up in jail.

I blame my mother because of the roll model she provided. She showed and taught me that men are less than women and should be treated as such. So maybe feminazi is a better term?
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This guy based his rantings regarding an entire movement on one failed relationship. Sorry if you don't like the fact that I called him on it.
I didn't base my "rantings" on one failed relationship, it was an example, you know what that is right farmer? Just a single example. I could post a multiple page "rant" and give you every single example if that's what you need?
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Old 08-27-2008, 04:35 PM
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I'm truly sorry about your experiences, and I hope that that's the last time some woman mistreats you so much.

However, you can't blame feminists for what happened. There are bad women just as there are bad men, and unfortunately, you were involved with one.

For every horror story like yours, I can tell you one from a woman's perspective, a woman who has been screwed over by the ex boyfriend or ex husband, and then by the courts.
I know it's not ALL feminists, and I know there are men who mistreat women. But I believe there is a fair number of women who use the feminist movement to their advantage, as would happen if it were any other sex or race. I know you will always have the "bad apples". I think as a man I'm more sensitive to this issue.

BTW thank you for the compassion. I'm currently married to the most wonderful woman in the world! She has been patient with me and is helping me to become a better man.
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I believe feminism has been taken too far in some instances. Giving women a right to vote was definitely good. Equal pay for equal work, also good. But in the process of women "empowering" themselves, children and family has been left by the wayside. Who is home raising our kids? No one, they are in daycare. Being raised by some stranger who probably has a house full, or worse a center with dozens of kids. Do you think these kids get the love, attention and direction they need to develop into great adults? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that women need to stay home and raise kids, men can stay home and do a fine job as well.

And what about the effects on men? Now all of the sudden it's cool to hate and bash men. Watch most sitcoms and commercials, men are portrayed as bumbling idiots. Either that, or men aren't allowed to be men. We men are expected to get in touch with our "feminine side". We need men to be men, and stand up for what's right against what's wrong. Not sit down and talk about "feelings".

So what I'm saying is that there has been some good done by the feminist movement, but I feel it has been taken too far.
I agree 100%. We have three kids and since my wife was breast feeding she stayed home with them. But when our youngest got to be 4 she said that’s its time for a change. I had an offer on my business and she insisted that we change roles. Our kids are 20, 17 and 9.

Now she has her business and for the last seven years I am staying home with the kids.
She is a highly educated woman, very very smart. She only cares about being judged by her work and because she has no chip on her shoulder, all doors are open to her. She has risen to the top of her profession and gets paid the big bucks, because of the quality of her work. She has never experienced a glass ceiling, and the men she works with, CEO's VP of research ECT. All love her because she is good and acts like one of the guys, another words judge me on my work only.

Our kids have benifited tremdously from having one of us home and there for them when they need a parent to guide and consul them as they go though life. It’s easy to see the damage that warehousing kids in daycare or leaving them alone after school until the parents get home at 6 or 6:30 and are too tired to have the time for their kids that the kids need. Kids need a parent at home to grow up healthy.

Feminism went too far by saying that a woman is equal to and the same as a man. Work like a man or you are a bad person. The feminist’s movement sacrificed the children in their quest for power. Just look at the state of the American youth and it becomes obvious that they need a parent at home.

Oh and she loves being a woman.
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I've been researching child support in my state, and I've found numorous cases where men are held in contempt for a much smaller ammount of arrears, and had their licenses revoked, and ended up in jail.

I blame my mother because of the roll model she provided. She showed and taught me that men are less than women and should be treated as such. So maybe feminazi is a better term?

I would like to see those actual stats.

Feminism is not about hatred of men or subjecting men to some "inferior" position. If you have issues with your mom, thats more of your individual family issue, it has nothing to do with feminism.
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I agree 100%. We have three kids and since my wife was breast feeding she stayed home with them. But when our youngest got to be 4 she said that’s its time for a change. I had an offer on my business and she insisted that we change roles. Our kids are 20, 17 and 9.

Now she has her business and for the last seven years I am staying home with the kids.
She is a highly educated woman, very very smart. She only cares about being judged by her work and because she has no chip on her shoulder, all doors are open to her. She has risen to the top of her profession and gets paid the big bucks, because of the quality of her work. She has never experienced a glass ceiling, and the men she works with, CEO's VP of research ECT. All love her because she is good and acts like one of the guys, another words judge me on my work only.

Our kids have benifited tremdously from having one of us home and there for them when they need a parent to guide and consul them as they go though life. It’s easy to see the damage that warehousing kids in daycare or leaving them alone after school until the parents get home at 6 or 6:30 and are too tired to have the time for their kids that the kids need. Kids need a parent at home to grow up healthy.

Feminism went too far by saying that a woman is equal to and the same as a man. Work like a man or you are a bad person. The feminist’s movement sacrificed the children in their quest for power. Just look at the state of the American youth and it becomes obvious that they need a parent at home.

Oh and she loves being a woman.
No two individuals are the "same", but we are definitely EQUAL to men.

But apparently you think women are NOT equal...ok.

Feminism never taught that women should "work like a man or be a bad person"...its about equal value and equal oppurtunity. Individual families have to figure out the best way to raise their own families and it shouldnt be determined by who has breasts and who has the penis. Its better when we get to shed that and focus on who is good at what, what the family actually needs and then determine things from there.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism

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2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests
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