Is Feminism and Liberalism ruining America? Your thoughts... - Page 6

Birdzeye · #51 (**permalink**) 08-28-2008, 04:35 AM

Since I graduated from college, opportunities for women have expanded, and I'm grateful that I have benefited from that. I had to leave an organization where sexism was tolerated. The fact that I have done well in my next job makes me feel vindicated. I have advanced as far as my talents will take me, and that is the most I can ask for.

I would not have gone as far as I have if it weren't for the greater opportunities for women that would not have happened if some women hadn't agitated for them in the past - not to mention the pressures still brought to bear to wipe out the sexism that still is alive and well in some places.

farmer_fred · #52 (**permalink**) 08-28-2008, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by static_engineer

I didn't base my "rantings" on one failed relationship, it was an example, you know what that is right farmer? Just a single example. I could post a multiple page "rant" and give you every single example if that's what you need?

They would still be just anecdotes. Do you know what they are? It seems you have problems with treating women as equals. How sad for you. Perhaps a mail-order bride from a third-world country would fit the bill:

JavaBlack · #53 (**permalink**) 08-28-2008, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

He is not 'ranting' on an entire movement; he is discussing the problems arising out of the excesses of the feminist movement.

So you would be fine with it if I stated that democracy has gone too far because of certain fringe groups or that conservatism has gone too far because of far-right loons. Perhaps I can also say humanitarianism has gone too far in that we save too many lives in the face of overpopulation. Religion has gone too far. Christianity has gone too far.

Is there anything that hasn't gone too far under this standard?!
I cannot name a single ideology or movement in which there are none who have "gone too far".

So if the statement was not broadbrushing feminism, it was simply a worthless statement to make as it applies to pretty much everything and says nothing specific about feminism.

static_engineer · #54 (**permalink**) 08-28-2008, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellah

I would like to see those actual stats.

Feminism is not about hatred of men or subjecting men to some "inferior" position. If you have issues with your mom, thats more of your individual family issue, it has nothing to do with feminism.

You're right it's not about hatred, or at least the core values of feminism aren't, but if you look around you will see it's morphed into forcing men into feminism, and women are now viewing themselves above men.

I'll look for my stats.

static_engineer · #55 (**permalink**) 08-28-2008, 05:37 AM

Here's an article with excerpts from a daughter of a famous feminist.

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And here's one written from a former feminist.

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See a trend here? Neither one is happy in the end with the result of the empowerment. It's being taken too far. When women are going out and having children with no father figure in their lives they are asking for trouble. Men are being viewed more and more as accessories.

JavaBlack · #56 (**permalink**) 08-28-2008, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by static_engineer

You're right it's not about hatred, or at least the core values of feminism aren't, but if you look around you will see it's morphed into forcing men into feminism, and women are now viewing themselves above men.

The only way men are expected to be "forced" into feminism is in treating women like equals.
And there aren't many feminists out there that view men as inferior. Those who do are usually the more bitter of the radical feminists. What I can say for them is that they usually have better reasons for being so insanely bitter than most of the bitter anti-feminists.

The woman I once read who wrote about the horrors of men and how society was built on rape... well, she was raped and tortured. So while her views are a bit skewed... it's a lot more understandable than the guys who whine because machismo is no longer valued above all else.

static_engineer · #57 (**permalink**) 08-28-2008, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by farmer_fred

They would still be just anecdotes. Do you know what they are? It seems you have problems with treating women as equals. How sad for you. Perhaps a mail-order bride from a third-world country would fit the bill:

They are examples from different sources. Not anecdotes. I have no problem treating women as equals, but it the women who are not treating men as equals any longer.

Mail order bride? No thanks, I have a beautiful wife.

catzmeow · #58 (**permalink**) 08-28-2008, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sleepy

Feminism is not ruining America, it's just ruining women by keeping them victims of their circumstance. Everytime an injustice or preceived injustice is reinforced, it compels woman to wallow in self-pity and helplessness. Their glass is always half empty. There are more laws on the books to protect woman than ever before, and yet Hillary steered them back to days, of past discrimination, to re-live past hurts, resentments and what ever it takes, to prevent healing. By keeping the wounds fresh, she is guaranteed a following. Too bad, their being victimized twice, once by a bad case of the "poor me's", and again by leaders like Hillary, who hold the power to lead these poor sheep to slaughter.

Are you seriously f'ing kidding me? I'm a feminist. And, I am no god dam victim. In fact, if you cross me, I won't cry victim, I will kick your darn ass. It will go to. the. mattress.

I think you're generalizing broadly without knowing what in the hell you're talking about.

Jellah · #59 (**permalink**) 08-28-2008, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by static_engineer

You're right it's not about hatred, or at least the core values of feminism aren't, but if you look around you will see it's morphed into forcing men into feminism, and women are now viewing themselves above men.

I'll look for my stats.

I look around and see plenty of males who ARE FEMINISTS and proudly so. They also believe in equality...this is a postiive thing.

I think you generalize too much and project your own personal issues onto the larger population.

Think about the statement you made that "women are now viewing themselves above men"....and you know this because you actually KNOW and have talked to the majority of women and the majority state this is how they feel?

Jellah · #60 (**permalink**) 08-28-2008, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by static_engineer

Here's an article with excerpts from a daughter of a famous feminist.

Link

And here's one written from a former feminist.

Link

See a trend here? Neither one is happy in the end with the result of the empowerment. It's being taken too far. When women are going out and having children with no father figure in their lives they are asking for trouble. Men are being viewed more and more as accessories.

No I dont see a "trend", I see 2 peoples opinions and they dont get to speak for the majority of women.

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