Originally Posted by wind

Me too. I know plenty of men who are feminists. They love women completely. They are strong men and sexy. They don't just (*)(*)(*)(*) women. They don't feel threatened to have a woman as an equal, or even in some cases, as a better.

Equality is what its all about. Equal pay for equal work. Equal opportunity. Equal value as human beings.

Originally Posted by Whatthe

I don't think that feminism is what's driving women into the workplace, and our children into day-care. These things are a RESPONSE to the realities of our new global economy. In my case, I can afford to pay nearly all of my family's bills with just my salary, but I cannot afford health insurance as well. Basically, my wife works to pay the child care and health insurance, and put a couple hundred in the savings account. We just can't make it work without her contributing, and going without health insurance is NOT an option if it can be avoided.

When it comes to your feelings about "man bashing" all I can say is: "Man Up." Who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) if actors and actresses on some lousy TV show are hammering on male stereotypes. Or, to quote one of my former mentors "What, are you a broad, that I gotta worry about your feelings now?" I grew up in a big family, several brothers and several sisters. They (the sisters) were very empowered (my mother was incredibly strong-willed), and more than willing to stand up for what's right against what's wrong. Not sit down and talk about "feelings". If you wronged them they'd set you right. As a result, the men in my family are MORE "man" than we would have been growing up around a bunch of deferring little ladies. All men in this country would be better for it if they'd been exposed to some of that growing up.

Just my opinion.

As for whether Liberalism is ruining the country, I'm not sure there's a certified definition of "Liberal" that everyone would agree on, so I'll leave that one alone.

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Correct me if I'm wrong but the strong implication in your post is that if men complain about stereotypes in the media, it's just whining but if women do it, they are standing up for what's right.... did I read that correctly?

Originally Posted by Saryk

Since this country was founded it has been traditionally wan works woman stays at home and works in the home for the family. This has been going on until the 1960’s. From there women have started really emerging in the work place. So you have to agree that it has changed the family structure.

Originally Posted by catzmeow

Family structure is not a static thing. If you look at early America, MANY women worked. They worked in taverns and inns, they cooked, they ran boarding houses, they were seamstresses. They worked full time and more than full-time. You're looking at an isolated period of time (the 1940s-50s) and generalizing way too broadly. Poor women, who made up the bulk of society, always worked.




Actually, that was a blip on human history. For most of known history, both men and women have been required to produce/provide food and care for the family. You're speaking ONLY from an industrialized middle class perspective. But, the family structure you describe didn't even hold true in the Bible. Look at Proverbs, Chapter 30.



Actually, women are inherently more conservative than men, because we are the ones who bear and do the majority of child-rearing. It's in our genes. We're the civilizers, the peace-makers, the ones who bring the churches and schools to a community, and not the saloons and brothels. So, I think you're mistaken here.



I don't think you've given the matter sufficient study, thought or depth of argumentation.

Originally Posted by catzmeow

Actually, women are inherently more conservative than men, because we are the ones who bear and do the majority of child-rearing. It's in our genes. We're the civilizers, the peace-makers, the ones who bring the churches and schools to a community, and not the saloons and brothels. So, I think you're mistaken here.

Originally Posted by BuckNaked

We first off I didn't call men whiners, second if you are regularly being called a whiner, then maybe, just maybe you should stop whining so much!

Originally Posted by BuckNaked

I don't know about feminism, and to be honest I do not even know what the definition of liberalism is anymore, but neither has done the damage to our nation what neo-con artists have in a few short decades.

My old grandpa used to say that the single thread that holds civilization together is the dedication of good women who keeps their family strong, healthy and maturing as a productive unit. The women are the matriarchs and it is their persistent nurturing that makes the family, and without her continued influence the family will break and crumble. Without the constant guidance of good women society will fail and we will fall back into the savage uncivilized selfish ways when we were hunter gatherers rather than conquerors of the land, and master of our own domain once we finally grasped civility!!

Son, always remember and don’t never forget…

That’s about as far as he ever got before grandma would come in and remind him it was time to milk the cow or something???

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Both sexes play vital roles in the marriage and family. Both are necessary.