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Old 08-27-2008, 08:10 AM
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It's a stupid idea. Here's a startiling fact, that we all must come to terms with. People take drugs, they like to get high. Prohibition doesn't stop them, at all.

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“We compared representative samples of experienced marijuana users to see whether the lawful availability of marijuana did, in fact, lead to the problems critics of the Dutch system have claimed,” said Reinarman. “We found no evidence that it does. In fact, we found consistently strong similarities in patterns of marijuana use, despite vastly different national drug policies.”
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Then there's the economic effects, of enforcing laws with no benefits. It's common knowlege that drug use doesn't go down with prohibition, the amount of users has stayed the same in each place, while many drugs went through a rolercoaster of legalisation, and prohibition across the world. So, what's the point of prohibition? It doesn't stop people doing it, it just wastes billions of money for each country every year, puts relatively harmless people in jail (wich we have to pay for with our taxes) and puts more money in the hands of criminals, and out of the hands of leginimate businesses. Not to mention that party drugs, and drugs like marijuana are not good for the development of children and under this system, everyone can get weed the same since there are no regulations in place, due to it being illegal. So if we don't want underage kids smoking it, it should be legalised so we can regulate the industry so that only adults can get them.

Did I mention the crime rates? Prohibition has raped so many countries, America in paticular.



Guess wich years were during a prohibition

People are always complaining about over crowded prisons, did anyone stop to think that prohibition fills up prisons, not by neutrilizing criminals and socio paths, but by turning people into criminals.





Good lord.

First drug, Marijuana.

Myth #1. It makes you stupid, and you can contract schizophrenia from use.

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There is no convincing scientific evidence that marijuana causes psychological damage or mental illness in either teenagers or adults. Some marijuana users experience psychological distress following marijuana ingestion, which may include feelings of panic, anxiety, and paranoia. Such experiences can be frightening, but the effects are temporary. With very large doses, marijuana can cause temporary toxic psychosis. This occurs rarely, and almost always when marijuana is eaten rather than smoked. Marijuana does not cause profound changes in people's behavior.
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You can contract schizophrenia from it, but only if you have a predisposition for the condition, and it only increases your cahnces by 4 or 5%.

Myth #2 Depression.

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Yes, pot makes people kill themselves. That's such a bizarre assertion that it's embarrassing--and, indeed, claiming pot causes anxiety and suicide while perfectly legal drugs such as Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and so on have been linked to suicidality and suicides and to cases of very extreme agitation is the very height of hypocrisy. A 2001 study published in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry found that 8.1 percent of admissions to one hospital's psych unit in a 14-month period were due to "antidepressant-associated mania or psychosis." Whether you like or hate pot, you ought to be against the feds making such hypocritical claims or you ought to be in favor of Walters warning parents of teens about the dangers of anti-depressant-caused psychosis. I simply don't know of any studies proving that pot causes suicide. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's highly unlikely that such a link is very strong.

Why do I say that? So many more Americans smoke marijuana now than in, say, 1965, yet the rate of suicide in this country is pretty much the same as it was then (it's actually a small bit lower, depending on what year you look at).
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Not to mention, any increase in teen depression, is because of those Top Model shows that give young girls self esteem issues.

Myth #3. It's addictive.

It's quite possible to grow dependant on it, but this is easily broken.

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In 1993, among Americans age 12 and over, about 34% had used marijuana sometime in their life, but only 9% had used it in the past year, 4.3% in the past month, and 2.8% in the past week. 59
A longitudinal study of young adults who had first been surveyed in high school also found a high "discontinuation rate" for marijuana. While 77% had used the drug, 74% of those had not used in the past year and 84% had not used in the past month. 60

Of course, even people who continue using marijuana for several years or more are not necessarily "addicted" to it. Many regular users - including many daily users - consume marijuana in a way that does not interfere with other life activities, and may in some cases enhance them.
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Myth #4. It's bad for your lungs.

Of course it is, you are inhaling smoke. But it's nothing like tobacco.

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Emphysema was detected in only one of the cannabis smokers (1.3%), in 15 (16.3%) of the cigarette smokers, in 17 (18.9%) of the combination smokers, and in none of the non-smoking groups.
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While smoking marijuana is never good for the lungs, the active ingredient in pot may help fight lung cancer, new research shows.

Harvard University researchers have found that, in both laboratory and mouse studies, delta-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) cuts tumor growth in half in common lung cancer while impeding the cancer's ability to spread
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Second drug, ecstacy and other party drugs.

The main issues with them, are dehidration, and teeth grinding, wich if legalized, could be solved with putting notices on the package saying "Chew gum and drink water and orange juice". It is currently sold on the sreet for around $20 a pill. Imagine how much tax revenue we could get from it. Then there are the memory issues, which are non lethal, and don't affect anyone but the user, and further development of the drug could surely solve most of these issues.

PS. Their illegality were one of the main causes of the Melbourne mob wars.

Third drug, Methamphetimine.

It's quite dangerous, though it is only made in small quantities, with basic ingredients. Prohibition is useless on this drug.

Fourth drug, crack cocaine.

It's leaglization would end alot of violence in inner city areas, raiseing the standard of living, and making it easier to identify mothers using the drug, and it will most likely leed to awareness and less use of the drug.

Fith, haullucinogens. (ie acid and shrooms)

The main problem is that people are in danger from their surroundings. Responsible (ie, using in company) use being advocated on the pakages could solve this problem.

Sixth and seventh, heroin and pure cocaine.

Ridiculous taxes (and I mean ridiculous) could seriously help here. But then we must ask ourselves, are our banks hooked on money from these two drugs? Would the economy collapse? The government will have to find a way to monitor how much of our money is drug money, and ween the banks off of it. Might prove difficult.

Then there is the fact that federal drugs prohibitions, are unconstitutional in most countries, since the power to prohibit substances belongs to the state.
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Methamphetamine should be a controlled substance and its use and possession should be prohibited. But users shouldn't be locked up for using it. The response should be therapeutic, not punitive. The manufacturers should be prosecuted and imprisoned as criminals.

The rest of your points I don't have an issue with.
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Methamphetamine should be a controlled substance and its use and possession should be prohibited. But users shouldn't be locked up for using it. The response should be therapeutic, not punitive. The manufacturers should be prosecuted and imprisoned as criminals.

The rest of your points I don't have an issue with.
Ah, but if we keep it illegal, criminals will just start selling that in place of heroin etc. so the economic issues won't be solved.
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I suspect it's about balance. H is nowhere near as bad as meth. H users are usually a bit different from tweakers anyway. But my thinking is that if the really damaging drug is controlled and the ones that are in no way as bad as meth lose their "drugs is evil" label then society gets the message and law enforcement and the courts can focus their efforts on the meth manufacturers.

I mean the stuff is relatively easy to produce, unfortunately, and the damage it can do is pretty serious so focus on what needs to be stamped out.
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I suspect it's about balance. H is nowhere near as bad as meth. H users are usually a bit different from tweakers anyway. But my thinking is that if the really damaging drug is controlled and the ones that are in no way as bad as meth lose their "drugs is evil" label then society gets the message and law enforcement and the courts can focus their efforts on the meth manufacturers.

I mean the stuff is relatively easy to produce, unfortunately, and the damage it can do is pretty serious so focus on what needs to be stamped out.
It can't be stamped out, since it can basically be made with cough medicine and other household ingredients.
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First, the Ninth Amendment to our Constitution gives every American the right to do whatever they want as long as they don’t infringe the right/rights of anybody else. Drug usage in and of itself infringes no right of others.

Second, the government’s Drug War only provides a high profit tax free market for the likes of criminal types and terrorist and prevents nobody that really wants to use drugs from using drugs.

Third, the government’s Drug War gives incentive to corrupt politicians and law enforcement.

Forth, the government’s Drug War overloads our judicial and penal system and creates millions of criminals out of otherwise non-violent folks.

Fifth, the government’s Drug War causes violence in our streets not unlike the days of prohibition of alcohol.

Sixth, the government’s illegalization of some drugs is not only unconstitutional, it’s pure stupidity, a complete failure, a stimulus for crime and criminals, a multi-billion dollar folly and an abomination to the taxpayers of America.
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i wrote a process paper on this back in high school. Basically it came down to how the government is wasting away a lot of money on "prohibition campaigns" which do not actually show any signs of improvement. Also the number of people incarcerated for mere drug usage or possession is ridiculous compared to the other inmates who have committed crimes which actually effect other people.
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The reason drugs like meth should be illegal is because they can cause violent behavior. Aside from that, it's a free country. If you want to be an idiot and (*)(*)(*)(*) yourself over, that's your call. The only thing prohibition accomplishes is driving the price of drugs through the roof.
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It can't be stamped out, since it can basically be made with cough medicine and other household ingredients.
So can bombs and I don't see them being made too often. I know it's easy to make meth but it's not that easy and legislation is either being introduced or is in place in many jurisdictions to deal with precursors which will make it very unappealing for the average person to start cooking.

My point though was that the energy and resources being used to prosecute producers and users of drugs such as cannabis, ecstasy and heroin among others, is best turned towards meth production (users need rehab not prison) since meth is far worse that those substances I mentioned.
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