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Originally Posted by Shep Dawg
You cannot possibly say that you believe educating people up to "worker bee" status is sound for the economy and jobs.
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Yes I am saying that...for some people...while others can handle higher education. Education cannot be one thing which is the problem we have today! We have one generic education system for millions of kids who have critical differences in their goals, capabilities, support group, interest, energy, health, etc.
But here is another part of your education issue; suppose we took 20 million unskilled workers and gave all of them a 2-year college education in something. How does this create more jobs??
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I'm not sure exactly which plan you're looking at, but I wouldn't endorse that particular plan. There is more than 1 way to fix the health care system. And if there isn't one more efficient than that, well I'm sure we could draft one. Reducing fraud would be good place to start. And there is no way that every man, woman, and child would cost near $10,000 for health care. B.S. red tape accounts for most of that.
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Well...articles I've read approximate the annual health care spending at about $2 trillion. If you wish to convert this to Universal Health Care, then UHC will cost $2 trillion as well. And this $2 trillion is quickly climbing to $3-$4 trillion. So if you do the math; $3 trillion/300 million citizens (=) $10,000 per person cost to our government.
Yes there is waste in there and probably lots of unnecessary charges and costs, etc. and I say good luck in my lifetime reducing this cost.
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Agreed. I'm not talking about the number of people who can't work due to disability. I'm talking about the people who either can't find work, or just wont work, and want to draw a check. The system should be efficient, and there are ways of making it way more efficient than it now.
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Right now about 1% are on some form of assistance. If half of these have disabilities and cannot work, then we're talking about 1/2% of the US population are on 'questionable' welfare. 1/2% is probably considered 'efficient'.
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Regarding expensive that is a relative term depending on how much money you have. I love this argument. While you are correct to say 90% of don't have the money to shop quality! You then fail to mention, one of the reasons for this is all of the jobs that are now overseas. When a guy loses his $35 dollar an hour job as a plant foreman because the company move the factory overseas, and then has to replace it with a $12.00 an hour job at Walmart selling the Chinese made knockoffs of the products he used to make. Yeah, you're right. I guess he doesn't have the money to shop quality anymore.
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It makes no difference the reasons...reality suggests that most people do not shop for quality...price is the driving factor.
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The fallacy is that in spite of what some would like to believe, it works both ways. Better jobs mean people can afford higher quality products. Most people shop price when they have to, not because they necessarily want to. People will usually buy quality if they can afford to. Have you ever seen a wealthy guy driving a Chinese Ferrari?
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You are dead wrong if you believe only poor people shop at Wal-Mart and Costco, etc.
Better jobs do not mean people can afford more quality. If people with better jobs manage their finances well and have discretionary funds available, then 'sometimes' they can shop quality. The same scenario applies to lower wage earners.
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Uhmm... No, of course not. The whole key to your sentence is " I hire lots of day-labor, I pay $12/hour". And first off congratulations on paying a fair wage. Hiring day-labor for seasonal work is hardly the same a employing undocumented immigrants at corporations full time, for substandard wages, and no benefits. Especially when it also involves the loss of an American job for the sole benefit of creating more profit for the corporation. So yeah, if the Companies are going to hire immigrant workers, they should have to pay the same as they would an American worker, with the same benefits. Therefore there in no reason to hire the immigrant worker over the American worker other than performance.
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Don't congratulate me...I don't set the wages. They are set by supply and demand and in my area they are $12/hour and up.
There are very few companies who are openly hiring undocumented workers to replace US citizens and I'm guessing you don't know this data?? Sure there will always be unscrupulous employers, and they will still be here even if we didn't have undocumented workers.
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Again, many so called good jobs are now being performed in the U.S. by immigrant workers being exploited for low wages.
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No one is being exploited!! We have far too many unskilled workers compared to the demand for jobs. High supply and low demand equals lower pay!!
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A good friend of mine worked as a meat cutter for a company in the mid west
that was recently raided, and hundred's of illegal immigrant's were rounded up. He made $32/hr. He was "laid off" due to lack of profits. His job was replaced the very next day by an undocumented worker from Mexico making $8/hr. You know what? Meat prices haven't come down. The only thing that happened was an American family was out of their job, and the Company made a higher profit.
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A rare example of hiring undocumented workers. And stop and think that if we didn't have all these unskilled workers willing to work for less than union wages, the prices of that meat you mention would be much higher!
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So I ask you, why do Americans have to "compete" as you say with the unskilled labor pool for lower wages?
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Because this is simply supply and demand...