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Old 09-23-2004, 12:08 PM
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Default Why was Cat Stevens denied entry into the U.S.?

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/

Seems that in the past 2 decades, Cat has been riding on the hate train.

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Default But, but...

I thought he just helped raised money for Hamas. And besides, I know Hamas might have a bad rap, but I heard they have lots of humanitarian interests too. For example:

Daycare centers for children who's mother must work because their fathers were suicide bombers.

Educational programs such as libraries for exclusive Islamic interests

Vocational training such as how to use an AK47

Construction and technical training in how to build a bomb vest

Engineering in high explosives and chemical weapons


I think we should be more open minded about Hamas.
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Default Yes, you're right, Senax.

We're just closed-minded, fear-mongering, intolerant, non-cultural-diversity-proficient (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s when it comes down to it.

Cat Stevens is just like John Lennon, without the goofy glasses.
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Default yeah, kill him

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I thought he just helped raised money for Hamas. And besides, I know Hamas might have a bad rap, but I heard they have lots of humanitarian interests too. For example:

Daycare centers for children who's mother must work because their fathers were suicide bombers.

Educational programs such as libraries for exclusive Islamic interests

Vocational training such as how to use an AK47

Construction and technical training in how to build a bomb vest

Engineering in high explosives and chemical weapons


I think we should be more open minded about Hamas.
...and Cat Stevens is just like them (this is your reasoning, one assumes), well ever since he became Yusef Islam, or near enough 'one of them', or closely approximates someone who may share a few similar beliefs as 'them', so yeah, lets kill the bastard.

Pure genius.
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Default Very poorly done strawman.

If you're going to engage in fallacious reasoning, can't you at least go to the trouble to make it halfway readable?

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Default mimicing idiocy

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If you're going to engage in fallacious reasoning, can't you at least go to the trouble to make it halfway readable?

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When mimicing idiocy one tends to strive for that idiotic tone; "halfway readable" (sic) suggests incoherence - spot-on.

But I take your point. Even garbled language employed to draw attention to the irrationality of a particular point of view should be better stated. Mea Culpa.
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Default Hearts and minds

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I thought he just helped raised money for Hamas. And besides, I know Hamas might have a bad rap, but I heard they have lots of humanitarian interests too. For example:

Daycare centers for children who's mother must work because their fathers were suicide bombers.

Educational programs such as libraries for exclusive Islamic interests

Vocational training such as how to use an AK47

Construction and technical training in how to build a bomb vest

Engineering in high explosives and chemical weapons


I think we should be more open minded about Hamas.
I understand that you wrote this for it's humorers value even thou it at least to some extent, actually are true. Still Hamas do a lot of social work, not only for the benefit of the families of suicide bombers. People are in dire need of help and Hamas provide it. This help increase their popularity and their recruiting efforts. What is needed is alternatives, aid that is provided by organizations that has no violent agenda and are politically neutral. It is way to easy to bribe the masses in order to get their loyalty. This is global problem, and common as well.
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Default It's like this:

If we don't want him in our country. than, he does NOT come in our country. THATS IT!! Too Freaking bad!!
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Default Okay, I'll put the sarcasm down

In my opinion it doesn't matter what little good you do in this world like Hamas has done, if you engage in terrorist activity, you negate anything you've previously done.

If Hamas did some help in the form of aid, I'm sure that was nice. However when they turn around and send a suicide bomber into Jerusalem to kill a busload of school children, I tend to forget the good and focus on the bad. I guess I'm a bit cynical in my old age.

Regarding Cat Stevens:
I feel he can speak out against Rushdie and use Islamic rhetoric to call for the "death" to those writers who "misuse the prophet muhammed's words". I feel he can study the Islamic religion all he wants. Even when he makes rhetorical statements agains the state of Israel I just chalk it up to another hate monger singing the "Peace Train".

It's when he raises money for Hamas that I draw the line. If he would insure the money went to parts of the arab world that strictly gave aid to charities and not in any way related to Hamas, then I wouldn't have a problem.
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Default understood

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In my opinion it doesn't matter what little good you do in this world like Hamas has done, if you engage in terrorist activity, you negate anything you've previously done.

If Hamas did some help in the form of aid, I'm sure that was nice. However when they turn around and send a suicide bomber into Jerusalem to kill a busload of school children, I tend to forget the good and focus on the bad. I guess I'm a bit cynical in my old age.

Regarding Cat Stevens:
I feel he can speak out against Rushdie and use Islamic rhetoric to call for the "death" to those writers who "misuse the prophet muhammed's words". I feel he can study the Islamic religion all he wants. Even when he makes rhetorical statements agains the state of Israel I just chalk it up to another hate monger singing the "Peace Train".

It's when he raises money for Hamas that I draw the line. If he would insure the money went to parts of the arab world that strictly gave aid to charities and not in any way related to Hamas, then I wouldn't have a problem.
Though I would not share completely the point of view expressed, I understand and respect your very rational perspective. For some the merest equivocation on 'support' for those who kill innocent people is a bridge too far - they can not then countenance supporting such individuals on any level, on purely moral grounds. This is a widely shared, morally rational viewpoint.

It only becomes a coherent ethical standard, however, when it is universally applied.
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