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Old 08-30-2008, 07:05 PM
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Default Anarcho Capitalism: A Debate

The below is from Anti-Obamanomics:Why Everyone Should Be in Favor of Reducing Taxes on the "Rich" below is a copy of the original thread and the orginal article that started this debate.

Anti-Obamanomics: Why Everyone Should Be in Favor of Reducing Taxes on the "Rich"
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So called "anarcho-capitalism" is nothing but the worst kind of conservatism under a different banner.
Except it has its own distinct ideal's and ideological system. The only think that connects the two is that they both at times burrow ideals from Classical Liberalism.

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The absence of government with only a capitlaist system in place is worse than a government itself.
Explain. What are you suggesting should take the place of Capitalism? Socialist methods? Communist? Fascist?

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It has nothing to do with real anarchism, historically associated more with socialism than capitalism.
Anarchism much like communism is based off of falsehoods. As long as it doesn't believe in private property it doesn't believe in liberty. The similarities and difference between "traditional" anarchism and anarcho-capitalism boils down to the fact that anarcho-capitalism recognizes that even if there wasn't a government private property would still exsist as would capitalism. It is the true way of the world.

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And yes, I am an anarchist. However, I believe, in the absence of anarchism, a social democracy is the most fair of governments.
And yet you are against capitalism? What aspects of it are you against? No current true social democracy exsist which isn't built on capitalism. Many of them now are weaken by in large because they continue to try to move away from it but none the less there base is still capitalism.

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So, yeah, tax the rich and put the poor on equal footing.
So your for an artificial society based off of a minorities philosophical view point?
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You can call libertarianism a form of anarchy if you want, but in reality it will lead to something more akin to despotism. Governments will be replaced by robber barons such as Rockefeller and Morgan. They will enforce their rules as harshly as any fascism ever did. Innovation will be squashed by the market giants for fear of competition. In the end, you'll end with corporate "city states" locked in a perpetual "competition" war, and the common citizen will be reduced to no more than a surf.
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You can call libertarianism a form of anarchy if you want,
When did I talk about Libertarianism? This is the discussion the political ideology known as anarcho-capitalism. I didn't not invent the term. Stay on topic.

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but in reality it will lead to something more akin to despotism.
Are you applying this to anarcho-capitalism or libertarianism? If you want to talk about libertarianism start your own thread on it this one is about anarcho-capitalism.
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Ayn Rand's books are perfect examples of "Anarcho-Capitalism", especially her Magnum Opus, Atlas Shrugged. The Valley that all the big businessmen went to when they "struck", had no regulation on business and essentially no government and was considered by Rand to be a Utopia, much like the Communism she escaped from fantasized about. Utopias don't work.

But the idea that capitalists can be allowed to run their businesses as they see fit, with no regulation, had been tried and failed, long before Rand came on the scene. She knew about the "Robber Barons" but she believed her interpretation of human nature, once adopted by the Owner Class, would make unregulated Capitalism succeed. Monopolies and starvation wages were the result.

I have been a follower of Rand's Individualist Ethics and Atheist philosophy for many years, but the Friedman/Hayek/von Mises/Rand non-regulated Capitalist system cannot work.
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When did I talk about Libertarianism? This is the discussion the political ideology known as anarcho-capitalism. I didn't not invent the term. Stay on topic.



Are you applying this to anarcho-capitalism or libertarianism? If you want to talk about libertarianism start your own thread on it this one is about anarcho-capitalism.
Libertarianism means the same thing as anarcho-capitalism. I dont care about the "small but significant" differences, it's just semantics.
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Libertarianism means the same thing as anarcho-capitalism. I dont care about the "small but significant" differences, it's just semantics.
Anarcho-capitalism is not "the same" as Libertarianism. Anarcho-capitalism is an extreme form of Libertarianism.
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You can call libertarianism a form of anarchy if you want, but in reality it will lead to something more akin to despotism. Governments will be replaced by robber barons such as Rockefeller and Morgan. They will enforce their rules as harshly as any fascism ever did. Innovation will be squashed by the market giants for fear of competition. In the end, you'll end with corporate "city states" locked in a perpetual "competition" war, and the common citizen will be reduced to no more than a surf.
The same robber barrons that are the product of the state? I always find it funny when people level criticisms against market anarchy such as "big buisness will take over", because they forget, big buisness only exists under the state.

As the Rand, Rand came up with Objectivism, which stresses the need for the state, so no, Rand is not anarcho capitalist.
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