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Old 09-08-2008, 08:37 AM
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T. Boone Pickens is going around advocating a plan to substitute natural gas for petroleum in automobiles. As I understand it, we have the technology now to produce automobiles that run on natural gas.

This is something we should consider seriously, if it will help us become less dependent on Middle Eastern oil.
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T. Boone Pickens is going around advocating a plan to substitute natural gas for petroleum in automobiles. As I understand it, we have the technology now to produce automobiles that run on natural gas.

This is something we should consider seriously, if it will help us become less dependent on Middle Eastern oil.

Boone Pickens is trying to make some extra bucks of the Energy Panic. The greatest way to make money is to create a demand and have the majority or exclusivity of the product (Microsoft). He is no different then the SOB Gore trying to make money on panic.
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Boone Pickens is trying to make some extra bucks of the Energy Panic. The greatest way to make money is to create a demand and have the majority or exclusivity of the product (Microsoft). He is no different then the SOB Gore trying to make money on panic.
Do you think Gore only made an issue out of global warming so he could make money from the film? Did he even make any money from that?
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Boone Pickens is trying to make some extra bucks of the Energy Panic. The greatest way to make money is to create a demand and have the majority or exclusivity of the product (Microsoft). He is no different then the SOB Gore trying to make money on panic.
It is my understanding that Pickens has divested his holdings in energy stocks.

I am unaware of Gore holding any financial interests in alternate "clean" energy companies. Can you cite any holdings?
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T. Boone Pickens is going around advocating a plan to substitute natural gas for petroleum in automobiles. As I understand it, we have the technology now to produce automobiles that run on natural gas.

This is something we should consider seriously, if it will help us become less dependent on Middle Eastern oil.
Yes, we have the technology bit we must also remember that this will drive up the demand for natural gas which raises the price and many homes use natural gas for heating. That means higher prices for those individuals.
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I'm of the opinion that it is our meddling in the Middle East for many years that has emboldened our enemies, and indeed, made many enemies where none existed before.

It's time to repair the foreign policy damage done by the Bush administration and disengage from the Middle East. (This is a position advocated by Ron Paul and shared, at times, by Barack Obama.)

I have three good reasons for advocating this:
  1. The people of the Middle East are basically crazy. If we are not there to stir them up, they'll make war upon one another. In any case, we'll remove the main reason why they hate us.
  2. Disengaging from the Middle East will not affect the flow of oil to our country. These people are not stupid; they make selling us oil. Why would they interrupt that profitable realtionship? But even if the worst should happen and they stop selling us oil, that will be an excellent incentive to us to develop alternative energy sources and alternative means of transportation. (If you look at how many Americans are overweight, it would not be a bad thing if they started walking or bicycling, instead of plopping their fat asses into their SUV to go 2 blocks to the store.)
  3. Israel can take of itself, as it's shown repeatedly. We can still provide the Israelis with weapons.

Although our continual meddling in Middle Eastern affairs (culminated by our brain-dead president's senseless invasion of Iraq) has made us many enemies, it's not too late to start repairing the damage.
An excellent thread GW, and btw, welcome to the forum! This is exactly the kind of discussion needed before this election.

I'm not sure many Americans are even aware of the huge number of deaths brought about by the Gulf war and sanctions in Iraq, and how much hate it generated against the U.S. among many in the Middle East

After 3 tours during the Gulf war, my son decided to leave the Air Force after 13 years due to what he saw of the death and destruction we were bringing on the Iraqi people.

"The Gulf War and sanctions reportedly have resulted in more than 1 million Iraqi deaths, half of which were children younger than 5. Prohibitions on replacing such "dual-use" items as water pumps, generators and chlorine resulted in lethal epidemics."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0804-04.htm
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Um they also have Oil which is estential for the Survival of the Western Economies.
The US actually produces enough oil for our commercial needs. What we don't produce and can't produce enough oil for is personal transportation.
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The US actually produces enough oil for our commercial needs. What we don't produce and can't produce enough oil for is personal transportation.
Your point being?
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I'm of the opinion that it is our meddling in the Middle East for many years that has emboldened our enemies, and indeed, made many enemies where none existed before.

It's time to repair the foreign policy damage done by the Bush administration and disengage from the Middle East. (This is a position advocated by Ron Paul and shared, at times, by Barack Obama.)

I have three good reasons for advocating this:
  1. The people of the Middle East are basically crazy. If we are not there to stir them up, they'll make war upon one another. In any case, we'll remove the main reason why they hate us.
  2. Disengaging from the Middle East will not affect the flow of oil to our country. These people are not stupid; they make selling us oil. Why would they interrupt that profitable realtionship? But even if the worst should happen and they stop selling us oil, that will be an excellent incentive to us to develop alternative energy sources and alternative means of transportation. (If you look at how many Americans are overweight, it would not be a bad thing if they started walking or bicycling, instead of plopping their fat asses into their SUV to go 2 blocks to the store.)
  3. Israel can take of itself, as it's shown repeatedly. We can still provide the Israelis with weapons.

Although our continual meddling in Middle Eastern affairs (culminated by our brain-dead president's senseless invasion of Iraq) has made us many enemies, it's not too late to start repairing the damage.
So we just pull out and let them do whatever they want?
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