Cause and cure for poverty? - Page 3

hendrixpujols11 · #21 (**permalink**) 09-05-2008, 08:32 PM

It seems that saying fixing attitudes is the cure to poverty is a but of a cop out. There are rich people with bad attitudes, and poor people with good attitudes.

It just seems like that's a way of saying "its not our fault, theres nothing we can do", and shifting the blame.

Danik · #22 (**permalink**) 09-05-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Oilguy

Why do people equate education to success??

Education is a tool and there are many tools that we have to achieve success in America... The thing I find that hold MOST people back is their "attitude"....

You can have a hard worker with a bad attitude and they will continue to make a living but probably not make it very far from the poverty line....

You can be very ambitious and work hard but have a bad attitude and you are not going to get very far either.

We need to instill in our children a Good healthy attitude.... Rock solid work ethic.... and to be very ambitious (shoot for the stars).... All the other things will come to them as they need it >> Such as eduction and social contacts and all the other things we see successful people using to reach the high levels of our society.

"Poverty" itself is a moving target in America >> Poverty is defined the way politicians want to at the time to make a point or sell a bill or get a vote.... What do people living it poverty have?? Do they have a place to live?? Do they go hungry?? Do they own a TV or Computer?? Cell Phone?? MP3/CD player? DVD player? Access to medical care?? Access to transportation?? What I mean is what we call poverty >> Some in the world call "livin large" >> Take Obama's Brother for instance.... He lives in a hut in Africa and earns $12 a year... That breaks down to $1 a month(to make the math simple) Do you know of anyone that live in those conditions?

I agree with this too. Education isn't everything, and in today's college environment, it is quite possible to become educated in things that have little economic value when it comes to doing business or providing skills that are worthwhile. Part of the problem that I find with today's environment is the notion that someone can grow up to pursue anything they want and live out their life that way. There are too many people who believe they can pursue anything and be compensated for it. There are also far too many people who are apathetic or unmotivated to choose a career path that would benefit society. Instead they play the victim.

I believe opportunities should be available for anyone as they are growing up, but all the hurdles that society is creating by their own greed and indulgences is making that very difficult. Single parents are a huge hurdle for society today, which is becoming more and more widespread. I don't understand how people believe they can take on these responsibilities and expect to be compensated by some form of entitlement. Clearly the give money approach is not helping the issue. With birth control and abortions you would think that this trend of irresponsibility would be pushed back, but it isn't.

sunnyside · #23 (**permalink**) 09-06-2008, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hendrixpujols11

It seems that saying fixing attitudes is the cure to poverty is a but of a cop out. There are rich people with bad attitudes, and poor people with good attitudes.

It just seems like that's a way of saying "its not our fault, theres nothing we can do", and shifting the blame.

It's not neccesarily bad attitudes. It is probably more often than not a good person who might even have a respectable work ethic, but they got pregnant and the guy ran.

So to a degree morality plays a big part in poverty in the US. In the sense that if these guys would stick around for their kids or if the women would keep their legs closed it would resolve much of the problem. However it's rather hard to do much about that with policy. I think they try with sex ed and the occasional motivational speaker.

terrorist · #24 (**permalink**) 09-06-2008, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by hendrixpujols11

What causes poverty? Laziness? No incentive to work? High taxes on the rich, and thus less jobs? Being born into poverty? Is it possible, or likely, for someone to be born into a poor family, but to become welathy and successful financially later in life?

What is the "cure" for poverty? Raising minimum wage? Tax breaks to the poor? Tax breaks to the rich, to create more jobs? Is welfare a temporary solution?

I like your post.
Though I probably don't have the answer and maybe I am wrong, I believe unless people achieve some sort of acomplishment in life they should be prohibited from having children, of course for this to be fair, hypocrisy needs to be ended in the world first, such as some people making profit from wars while others compete for a chance to rebuild. actually I do believe that I have the right answers to ending poverty.

Clearly celebrities such as Bono raising all the money for aids and stuff they don't have the right answer. answer to ending poverty starts with eliminating war machine, an international parasite organization. then enforcements should be made not to allow more then 2 children per family. BULLYING culture must be eliminated..

In short, right now the world is run by evil, that's the cause of poverty. eliminate evil, and poverty will end.

Skinny. · #25 (**permalink**) 09-06-2008, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by hendrixpujols11

What causes poverty? ... High taxes on the rich, and thus less jobs? ...

If the rich have more money that they know what to do with, you might as well tax them relentlessly, they will still have money to invest.

Oilguy · #26 (**permalink**) 09-06-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by hendrixpujols11

It seems that saying fixing attitudes is the cure to poverty is a but of a cop out. There are rich people with bad attitudes, and poor people with good attitudes.

It just seems like that's a way of saying "its not our fault, theres nothing we can do", and shifting the blame.

I guess if you can't read past the first sentence then I would think the same thing... Or is that a "Cop out" too?

The Balance · #27 (**permalink**) 09-06-2008, 01:12 PM

Couple words...Bastard children!

I'm willing to bet couples that stick together to raise a kid are in the lowest crime/poverty rate in America

Why nobody mentioned that one I don't know. I guess I'm simple minded. Figure out a way to stop accidental children and solve a lot of problems.

Why is the OP trying to solve poverty in America anyways? Not everybody in this world is going to make it no matter how many government handouts they get.

Why is this important?

sunnyside · #28 (**permalink**) 09-06-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Balance

Why is the OP trying to solve poverty in America anyways? Not everybody in this world is going to make it no matter how many government handouts they get.

Why is this important?

It can affect you too. At a basic level if someone has a kid in high school and sops up handouts instead of putting in tax dollars there is a little less funding to go around.

But on a more personal level people in poverty are much more likely to commit crimes. And that can mean you.

terrorist · #29 (**permalink**) 09-06-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sunnyside

people in poverty are much more likely to commit crimes. And that can mean you.

That perfectly explains why US government being 53 trillion in debt are comitting such crimes.

The Balance · #30 (**permalink**) 09-06-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sunnyside

It can affect you too. At a basic level if someone has a kid in high school and sops up handouts instead of putting in tax dollars there is a little less funding to go around.

But on a more personal level people in poverty are much more likely to commit crimes. And that can mean you.

When I was in poverty, I borrowed my dads geo metro to go to a tech college while keeping my payments deffered and eating top ramen for the year.

Your entire post sorta fits why I just said bastard children could be the cause of these issues. But I still have to ask why is it important to get absolutely everyone working? Have you seen many homeless bums in your neighborhood? Try getting them to work. They can't. Not every man and women were meant to work in this world unless you are talking about enslaving them just to provide tax dollers. they are free not to work.

If your describing non homeless bumbs with the ability to work then like I said, they may be bastard children who just don't have the motivation to compete in this world. Eliminate bastard children

What would you suggest?

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