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View Poll Results: Why don Russia do what US did and arm US neighbors like Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua..?
Because Russia cares about their people more then about arms race 4 18.18%
Because Russia is afraid to make US angry 10 45.45%
They will do it now, they were just thinking cold war was over 10 45.45%
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:08 AM
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They weren't useless.They gave America an advantage against the Soviet Union
ICBM's make all limited range missiles obsolete.

Strategically placed missiles are useless, just like the Jupiter missiles.
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:34 AM
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Well back in the cold war Russia couldn't do it as the US would have likely countered with a proxy war to take the facility out.

Right after the cold war Russia was broke, and the US was piling aid money on Russia anyway.

Now there just isn't anything to gain, and Russia is still a bit strapped. Lets say Russia builds a big airbase in Cuba. What would they do with it?

The US however is getting a lot of use out of its bases abroad. Using them and our carriers to bring the hurt to Yugoslavia, Afganistan and Iraq.

They are also used to route humanitarian aid on occasion, or to serve as or support a peacekeeping force.

And finally some of them defend against possible invasion. And the US isn't looking to invade anybody in the Americas.
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Now there just isn't anything to gain, and Russia is still a bit strapped.
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Fair enough. Right now cash wise Russia has a positive income as opposed to the US debt situation. Mostly Russia is strapped for military capabilities just because they haven't been a profitable democracy for very long and are still rebuilding their strength. Right now their fleet is relatively small and weak, notably in the carriers and Amphibious Assault ships that would be relevant to supporting a base should it be threatened, such as if a coup overthrows the government and the new government wants those Migs for itself, or rebels seize the facility. Russia may not want to have a base under that uncertainty. But Russia is building.


Still I'm more inclined towards my earlier "no reason for it" points. They'd just have a base there that would annoy the Americans and do nothing with it.

Though down in South America there might be some use due to Venezuela getting pissy with it's neighbors in border disputes and supporting rebel groups and the like.

One other possibility is that Russia has plenty of places it wants to conquer right next door, and feels no need to dilute its forces.
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They already have enough to turn the US into a smoking cinder from where they are based.
They could only do so much damage. You're kind of overexxagerating their strength.

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There is nothing America can do if Russia wants to put missiles in Cuba.I don't understand why Russia doesn't do it
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They weren't useless.They gave America an advantage against the Soviet Union
The Jupiter missiles were scheduled to be scrapped anyways. They were obsolete and in the process of being replaced. The Russians got the short end of the stick in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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I know I'm sounding horribly anti american here, but who cares
As I understand it USA has military bases in countries around Russia, so why can't russia do the same around USA? they have plenty of friends, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cuba etc. why not supply them all with weapons and nukes for protection against some imaginary enemy?
So, what nuclear equipped bases do we have that we are surrounding Russia with? We're putting missile intercepters in Poland and Czech, not nukes. Russia putting nukes in Venezauela or Cuba would be an escalation, not a counter to what we're doing. We may have troops moving into Poland and Romania and the like, but NATO will not go to war with Russia in anything resembling an offensive war. NATO is a participatory alliance, they all have to agree on something for it to happen. I guarantee that Poland, Romania, and Norway would refuse to go to war with Russia, unless they were attacked first.

A real retaliation for our bases would be for the Russians to put their own ABM system in Venezuela and Cuba and maybe base bombers or troops there. Either way, their stuff won't get used.
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As I understand it USA has military bases in countries around Russia, so why can't russia do the same around USA?
Who says they cant?

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why not supply them all with weapons and nukes for protection against some imaginary enemy?
Probably because they are afraid of being economically isolated. But it's their decision, not mine. Russia is a democracy and can do whatever it wants with it's nukes.



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Cancel my vote, I didn't read the choices very well. I don't think they will do that, it doesn't make very much sense. Their land and sea based ICBMs can do the job from where they are.
Which is why these retarded threats are so funny.

Then you have the Russian users on here insisting that Russia is not scared of the US. Well, all these threats (empty as they are) sure make it LOOK like they are afraid of the US, heh heh
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Hey. Does our embargo on Cuba still include weapons? For a while there at least it was our position to intercept any ships bringing weapons into Cuba.
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Hey. Does our embargo on Cuba still include weapons? For a while there at least it was our position to intercept any ships bringing weapons into Cuba.
That was during the Quaranteen(sp?) during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The US and several other nations maintain a voluntary trade embargo with Cuba, but they are the exception not the rule.
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