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Old 09-09-2008, 10:32 AM
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And what evidence do you have that she prayed to God about the pipeline?
She said she did. I have no reason to doubt it. If I did not think it was a good idea, I would do my own praying about it. But since I think more oil is a good thing, I haven't even bothered. Especially since I do not have anything to do with making the decisions, or much to do with any of the results of them.

What evidence do you have that she didn't?
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:13 PM
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If Obama declared that, I'd have a problem with it, too. It's one thing to ask for God's blessing or even think you have it. It's another thing to use that as a political cudgel.
Well for starters to say that she is using it as a political cudgel is spin. She didn't say this in a press conference she said it in front of ministry students where prayer is the objective. When I go to church and they tell me it's God's will to pray for our soldiers in Iraq I don't take it as polticizing because it isn't. If she had said this in front of the state senate saying "you need to do God's will" then maybe you'd have a point. But she said it in front of ministry students. She also said that "we have to make sure there is a plan and that it's God's plan."

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So as a believer, does Palin saying the pipeline is "God's will" make you more inclined to support it, since you believe she's sincere? Wat do you, as a believer, do if there are Christians on both sides saying their position is "God's will", since you believe both of them?
I've never had that happen before so I would have to decide based upon that specific set of circumstances. It does make me slightly more inclined though I would pray as well. Just because someone tells me that is the case doesn't mean I won't ask myself.
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Even so, it shouldn't be voiced. The only thing voicing such a belief does is cast the opponents of said issue as against God. It removes the pros and cons of the issue from the debate and replaces them with theology.

As Raytri has said repeatedly, it becomes a political cudgel.
Sure she should. Particularly since she said it in front of a student ministry. She didn't tell the state senate "you need to do God's will!"
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Sure she should. Particularly since she said it in front of a student ministry. She didn't tell the state senate "you need to do God's will!"
A student ministry full of voters who will now view opposition to the issue as an affront to God. A politician knows that any public statement they make, especially when talking about the issues, will be broadcast to the public as a whole.
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She said she did. I have no reason to doubt it. If I did not think it was a good idea, I would do my own praying about it. But since I think more oil is a good thing, I haven't even bothered. Especially since I do not have anything to do with making the decisions, or much to do with any of the results of them.

What evidence do you have that she didn't?
I read the entire original link, and saw nothing where she said that.
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I read the entire original link, and saw nothing where she said that.


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A student ministry full of voters who will now view opposition to the issue as an affront to God. A politician knows that any public statement they make, especially when talking about the issues, will be broadcast to the public as a whole.
So now politicians aren't allowed to express their religous views in church or in front of other believers like any other person? If it's broadcast to the public that isn't her problem.
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Not irrelevant. She is stating her religious beliefs which do not go against anything American. The only ones who really appear repulsed by her comments are the Christian-o-phoebes who have the ridiculous impression that we are entering a period of theocratic rules lead be evangelicals. On the other hand, everyone understands the resentful nature of the Black Liberation Theology of Obama and the target of the resentment is White America.
I'm saying your criticism of obama is irrelevant to the criticism of Palin. Not that religion itself is irrelevant to politics. As a non-christian, I as a voter have a legitimate basis for not supporting Palin if I see she seeks guidance from God. She's allowed to seek guidance from him and she's allowed to tell everyone else that she things whatever is god's will. I'm allowed to criticize her, call that ridiculous and say I don't trust the voices in her head as a reliable guide for political action.
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You don't know God's will if you don't pray about it.
No, you don't know if there is a God nevermind if any given thing is his "will".

The more I hear about Palin's beliefs, the more I find her frightening to be placed in a politically powerful position. Do you want someone influencing global policy based on the belief that we are entering "end times"?
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