That is true, to some extent. Some rich never had businesses, and will react to overtaxing by NOT eating at a five star french restaurant and NOT traveling the world every week. That won't hurt the economy. There ought to be some system where if you start a businesses, there are tax deductions, or benefits of some sort, so that the wealthy invest and start businesses instead of claiming wealth to themselves. The Bush tax cuts, and supply side economics in general, is not meant to make the rich richer, but that is almost inevitable. That in principle is what pisses a lot of people off. Supply side economics is meant to help businesses and create jobs. All of this is very hard for most liberals to admit. But liberals need to acknowledge this, as conservatives need to acknowledge categories in which liberals are clearly right, or at least have ideas.

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That's not true at all actually because it doesn't take into effect social security. Right now social security is only taxed on the first $97,000 of your income. This is in effect a 12.4% tax hike on top of the 4% raise on income over 250,000. After state taxes, under Obama's plan a person making over 250,000 will have a tax rate of over 60% on average. The removal of social security cap is a HUGE tax increase. At the end of the day, it's how much of my income I keep.

http://www.newamerica.net/pressroom/...g_and_tax_cuts

It's actually $500 billion in tax cuts and and spending. Obama's tax hikes are actually a transfer of wealth that will reduce federal tax revenues. Basically a lot of people will barely pay any taxes at all, the wealth creating class will get hit. Think I have seen higher numbers floating around.


Actually, we spend the third highest per student in the world and have one of the worst education systems. You think the problem is a lack of spending? We need a better plan that just throwing money at schools. We also need to give parents a choice in schools.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ed...school-student

Can you tell me with a straight face that drilling does nothing? Does that even sound half way correct to you? Also T-Boone Pickens just wants to get the contract to develop wind energy and natural gas. In short, he will make a lot of money with the T-Boone Pickens plan.

We do need more natural gas and wind, but we need to drill and develop nuclear as well.

Giving parents a "choice" will destroy public schools.

Drilling does nothing. Drilling does nothing. Drilling does nothing.

It will lower the cost of gas by maybe a cent, maybe a few in ten years.

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The Christian Right is neither

Drilling does nothing? What kind of kool aid are you drinking?

Tax revenue, jobs, preventing the transfer of wealth etc.

Not only that but the prospect of new oil fields going online would increase production elsewhere now. And it is an issue of national security.

I can't believe people think drilling for more oil in our own country would have no effect on our energy crisis. There is estimated to be enough oil in Alaska to fuel 60,000,000 cars for 60 years. Granted not all of that is claimable, but we have significant amounts of oil offshore.

Guess what else. When T-Boone speaks of natural gas, that means drilling for oil. Natural gas is a by product of oil drilling, found in the same areas. Right now we have to burn natural gas in Alaska when drilling for oil because it is too expensive to ship to the lower 48 and it is dangerous. They just burn off the natural gas. There is tons of natural gas in those oil wells. Once the natural gas pipeline is completed, and ANWAR is opened up, it will make a huge difference.

This is just sour grapes environ nut garbage. What you don't want us to drill? Well it wouldn't make a difference anyway. Give me a break.

The fact is, the dims want oil to be expensive to limit carbon emissions anyway. The thought of drilling just riles them up. They don't want us to drill they want us to find green alternatives. They want it to be painful so we are more motivated to stop "killing" the planet.

I can't wait to see the dems lose.

Don't look now but it already has. All that wealth that the Bush Crime family has funneled to their friends and business partners hasn't been invested in creating new jobs. It's been gambled away at the big casino on Wall street on sub-prime loans and commodoties futures.

And why not gamble? If you win you get a big capital gains tax break.

If you lose you get bailed out by Uncle Sam who puts it on the Bank of China Mastercard that our kids get to pay off.

Give me a break. Take a problem. Fail to understand it. Point finger at Bush, call yourself a liberal. Make sure to call him a criminal.

It's a bit more complex than you are making it out to be. But whatever, it's stuff like this Obama feeds off of.

Vote for me, things are bad and I am different!! Different How? Who cares, everything is Bush's fault and everyone else is Bush. Vote for Obama, he will make all the problems of the world go away with his golden tongue.

When conservatives say 'economy' what they mean is the paychecks of the CEO's and how the shares of the fatcats are doing in China, when progressives say 'economy' we mean the economy well being of working people, our fellow citizens.

Conservatives tend to notice that their paycheck doesn't fall out of the sky.

Well, being one of those rich people (top 1%), I can tell you that we are going to keep making money, and wanting to make more money, no matter how much you tax us.

Do you think taxes eliminate greed?

Yeah, I took econ 101, 104, 107A and B and my wife has an Econ degree....gimme a break with that weak ass fallacy

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I call BS on this.

If taxes were 100% you'd stay home and you know it.