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Old 09-04-2008, 02:50 PM
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I have no heard 1 solid plan from the republicans on how they are going to fix the problems our country is facing. All I have heard during the RNC is personal attacks on Obama and Biden. Is it because they have no plans? My guess is YES! They are trying to strike fear on Americans hoping this will get them votes. I don't care about personal attacks and I want to know what they are going to do to get this country back on the right track. I heard it from the democrats. The republicans need to change their tatics, because if theyn think personal attacks are the key to the White House, then they are sadly mistaken.
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I have no heard 1 solid plan from the republicans on how they are going to fix the problems our country is facing. All I have heard during the RNC is personal attacks on Obama and Biden. Is it because they have no plans? My guess is YES! They are trying to strike fear on Americans hoping this will get them votes. I don't care about personal attacks and I want to know what they are going to do to get this country back on the right track. I heard it from the democrats. The republicans need to change their tatics, because if theyn think personal attacks are the key to the White House, then they are sadly mistaken.
As much as I agree with this post....did you pay attention to the 2000 and 2004 campaigns?

Same exact thing. They promised general good stuff, without specific plans, and claimed that voting for a Democrat would bring hell on earth.....and it worked.

What? Me Worry.
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I have no heard 1 solid plan from the republicans on how they are going to fix the problems our country is facing. All I have heard during the RNC is personal attacks on Obama and Biden. Is it because they have no plans? My guess is YES! They are trying to strike fear on Americans hoping this will get them votes. I don't care about personal attacks and I want to know what they are going to do to get this country back on the right track. I heard it from the democrats. The republicans need to change their tatics, because if theyn think personal attacks are the key to the White House, then they are sadly mistaken.
What exactly are the problems the country is facing and how exactly does each party hope to fix it?


1) Obama plans to increase taxes on business and corporations while decreasing taxes on low income families. Low income families already have a negative rate of taxation (the bottom 40%) so he is just going to give them more money. This will limit job growth (Many small businesses take profits as income to avoid double taxation). In addition Obama's tax increases on the rich are balanced by his increased handouts to the poor, so tax revenue is not increased. In addition he plans on increasing government spending by over 800 billion a year. This will put us further into debt and decrease the value of the dollar. Also, Obama's health care plan will only burden us further into the future as our population ages while giving us lower quality of health care. In addition, Obama's energy plan doesn't include further drilling meaning that we are going to transfer wealth to foreign countries and oil will become more of a national security issue than ever. Obama will also reinstate the death tax which hurts small buisnesses and farmers passing stuff on to their kids. In addition, Obama also plans to end free trade which will make American businesses less competitive and cost us jobs and job growth.

2) McCain. Try to reduce government spending while doing none of the stupid stuff Obama promises. Also he wants to cut our corporate tax (second highest in the world 35%) which will promote job growth.

Obama = lots and lots of bad ideas, rising unemployment.
McCain = try to cut spending and promote job growth.

If you are worried about job creation, don't vote for Obama. If you don't hate the American people vote McCain.

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2) McCain. Try to reduce government spending while doing none of the stupid stuff Obama promises. Also he wants to cut our corporate tax (second highest in the world 35%) which will promote job growth.
This is naive.

It might promote job growth in India, but your horse is the same color as the current failing chump, so to expect different result is.....technically insane
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This is naive.

It might promote job growth in India, but your horse is the same color as the current failing chump, so to expect different result is.....technically insane
How is it naive? The problem with the economy now has nothing to do with taxes being low. That is just stupidity. Low taxes on buisneses and investments help the economy.

What is hurting the economy now? The housing market/bond market collapse, failure for US labor to take advantage of the tech market growth, and high oil prices/high food prices.

Tell me again, how any of those would be fixed by high taxes. All this anti bush nonsense on the economy is just stupid. We have specific problems in the economy that need to be solved, none of which are solved by any of Obama's plans (well, I haven't looked over his education plan so I can't comment on that).

Solutions? Fix education and drill drill drill and develop long term energy solutions. The housing market collapse as far as I am concerned has more to do with the federal reserve keeping interest rates artificially low and the government regulation forcing banks to give out loans to people who can't afford them.

Turn your brain on, stop listening to empty rhetoric. You have been brainwashed by the unthinking left.

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What exactly are the problems the country is facing and how exactly does each party hope to fix it?


1) Obama plans to increase taxes on business and corporations while decreasing taxes on low income families. Low income families already have a negative rate of taxation (the bottom 40%) so he is just going to give them more money. This will limit job growth (Many small businesses take profits as income to avoid double taxation).
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news...ion=2008061115

That's not true. If you consider making more than 603k a year low income, you are right. How will giving money to the lower class limit job growth? It won't. You could argue that taking money from the rich will. However, this is not always true. The rich might not start businesses, which means that they will keep the money for themselves, and not create jobs. So most small people who work for small businesses do not make 603k or more a year, so they would not see a raise in income taxes.

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In addition Obama's tax increases on the rich are balanced by his increased handouts to the poor, so tax revenue is not increased. In addition he plans on increasing government spending by over 800 billion a year. This will put us further into debt and decrease the value of the dollar. Also, Obama's health care plan will only burden us further into the future as our population ages while giving us lower quality of health care. In addition, Obama's energy plan doesn't include further drilling meaning that we are going to transfer wealth to foreign countries and oil will become more of a national security issue than ever. Obama will also reinstate the death tax which hurts small buisnesses and farmers passing stuff on to their kids. In addition, Obama also plans to end free trade which will make American businesses less competitive and cost us jobs and job growth.
None of that is true. I don't know where you got 800 billion dollars but it is wrong. McCain's plan lowers income taxes for everywhere, so the government will be making less revenue than they are now.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul...na-obamaplans8

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The total price tag of Obama’s plans, according to his campaign, is $130 billion a year. On top of that, Obama is proposing a middle-class tax cut of about $80 billion a year.
That is a somewhat anti-Obama article.

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2) McCain. Try to reduce government spending while doing none of the stupid stuff Obama promises. Also he wants to cut our corporate tax (second highest in the world 35%) which will promote job growth.

Obama = lots and lots of bad ideas, rising unemployment.
McCain = try to cut spending and promote job growth.

If you are worried about job creation, don't vote for Obama. If you don't hate the American people vote McCain.
That's exactly what the poster is talking about. The GOP is saying "OBAMA DOES THIS, OBAMA DOES THAT. HE WILL DO THIS, HE WILL DO THAT. Oh yeah, and McCain will do this. Scaring people into voting for a candidate is as undemocratic and unamerican as you can get. That's what these crazy right wingers specialize in. "IF YOU DONT WANT X TO HAPPEN, VOTE FOR OUR CANDIDATE"

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Solutions? Fix education and drill drill drill and develop long term energy solutions.
Turn your brain on, stop listening to empty rhetoric. You have been brainwashed by the unthinking left.
Well there is where you disagree with your friends. Fixing education requires money. To get money, you need taxes. You can't fix education and not collect money. Drilling won't do anything, I don't know why you guys still say that. Even T. Boone Pickens does not agree with you. T. BOONE PICKENS!
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This is naive.

It might promote job growth in India, but your horse is the same color as the current failing chump, so to expect different result is.....technically insane
Economics 101- If you make it harder on the private sector (rich) by overtaxing them (they already pay most of the tax burdon already) they will respond by cutting jobs, raising prices, cutting services, and outsourcing jobs.

Obamas plan is a loser for America.

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Turn your brain on, stop listening to empty rhetoric. You have been brainwashed by the unthinking left.
Incredible coming from someone who is arguing by rote.

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How is it naive? The problem with the economy now has nothing to do with taxes being low. That is just stupidity. Low taxes on buisneses and investments help the economy.
Firstly I believe its devaluing your dollar, seeing as you're going further and further into debt. This model also ignores leakage, seeing as those higher profits are often travelling offshore-and not just becaus of your supposedly terrinle tax rates- also because of your high human rights standing for one, or the afformentioned dollar drop.

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What is hurting the economy now? The housing market/bond market collapse, failure for US labor to take advantage of the tech market growth, and high oil prices/high food prices.
Cheap credit backed up by ever lower capital gains tax leads to bubble an' trouble. 'tech market growth'? How does eight years of teaching to a stupid test helpwith that, getting rid of 'wasteful spending' in education (and various public watchdogs for ye olden housing market). The freemarketeer doctrine has been crushing local food production and linking it up globally, and we're surprised its unstable? Not to mentin the role that the inflated market bursting has had on oil and therefore food- money ran away, and it went to safer shores; namely gold and oil. Oh and why was oil such a safe bet? I wonder if that little war or two had anything to do with it?

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Tell me again, how any of those would be fixed by high taxes. All this anti bush nonsense on the economy is just stupid. We have specific problems in the economy that need to be solved, none of which are solved by any of Obama's plans (well, I haven't looked over his education plan so I can't comment on that).
Its pretty good, you ought to. In short it'll help like this- e'll take money from where its not needed, and inject it into where it is. He'll also shift incentives away from companies taht don't invest in america- you know those companies that effectively undercut your argument seeing as you ignore where those tax breaks often realy go.

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Solutions? Fix education and drill drill drill and develop long term energy solutions. The housing market collapse as far as I am concerned has more to do with the federal reserve keeping interest rates artificially low and the government regulation forcing banks to give out loans to people who can't afford them.
What the hell are you talking about? Government regulation forcing them to give out loans? Bush's government has actively fought against the customer protection laws that would have stopped the sub-prime crisis.

http://www.gregpalast.com/elliot-spitzer-gets-nailed/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021302783.html

Seriously, what do you base those claims on?
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Economics 101- If you make it harder on the private sector (rich) by overtaxing them (they already pay most of the tax burdon already) they will respond by cutting jobs, raising prices, cutting services, and outsourcing jobs.

Obamas plan is a loser for America.
This is ridiculous. Ever more wealth is moving into the hands of the few. If this is not balanced somehow (morality still plays its part) then the system grinds to a halt. Oh and they'll do that stuff anyway(and have done so) under the current failed regime- thats how they make money. Never mind that competition should circumvent that, seeing as competition is increasingly being crushed by the same system.

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