Palin's World View According to Her Church

Sparky Farkas · #1 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 07:33 AM

Do you want someone who believes this with their finger on the button?

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TEACHINGS OF THE THIRD WAVE MOVEMENT

As a means of focusing the major areas of concern I wish to address, {155} it is important to outline some of the affirmations which both fuel the controversy around the spiritual deliverance debate and lie at the root of the teachings and practices of the Third Wave movement. These affirmations include the following:

People can be possessed (or demonized) by evil spirits with or without their consent.6

Some Christians have a special gift to discern demonic presence and exorcize it.

There are beings called “territorial spirits” who hold a special kind of domination over neighborhoods, cities, and even countries. Some Christians have a special ability to identify and to challenge their control.

Objects or places can project evil influence and act as conduits for demonic oppression.

Traumatic events, either in our lives or in our ancestral past, can make us particularly vulnerable to demonic influence.

Although it is not my intention to address these affirmations in detail, my hope is to provide a frame of reference for evaluating statements such as those listed above.

A COSMOLOGY OF THE THIRD WAVE MOVEMENT

Leaders of the Third Wave movement and those who espouse similar positions in regard to spiritual warfare and deliverance have developed a relatively clear and self-consistent cosmology, i.e., a way of understanding God, the universe, and humanity.7 The following elements are submitted as a preliminary outline of that cosmology.8

Violence and Creation

According to the Third Wave ideology, there has been a cosmic conflict between God’s forces and the rebellious demonic powers originating even before the creation of the world and extending into human history. It is believed that some of these demonic beings have been left free to roam the earth as an opposing force to humankind. This was necessary, for only in conflict could humanity attain the fulfillment of its true destiny. But war and conflict are not only present at the eve of creation and necessary for the fulfillment of human destiny; it characterizes human existence. God created the human race as a warrior race. The logic of this perspective is that God’s intentions for humanity to be a warrior race required an environment containing the opposition necessary for the human race to fulfill its true destiny. {156}

Mythologization of the Universe

According to the Third Wave paradigm, the universe is populated with millions of superhuman/supernatural beings bent on destroying humanity and God’s designs.

The Universe as Subject

The universe is given the status of subject. The spiritual beings which inhabit it adversely affect the lives of humans through the manipulation of the physical elements of nature. Thus, the basic validity and reality of magic is assumed: objects can have special powers, the spoken word is inherently efficient,9 places and objects can mediate evil powers and influence, traumatic experiences (either in the life of an individual or in his/her ancestral history) can generate “open doors” through which demons can take possession or gain significant influence over that person.

Pantheon

According to Third Wave ideology, there exists a highly sophisticated organization with a hierarchy of demonic beings. At the top of this demonic organization there is Satan. Satan is not omnipresent, but he delegates his authority and power to other spirits to accomplish his malevolent objectives. Three major categories of demons are identified: territorial spirits, middle-level spirits, and ground-level spirits. The extent of the spirit’s power is directly proportional to its rank; the higher the rank, the more powerful that spirit is. These spirits are said to have specific names and well-delineated roles and territories.

Christian Experience Is Characterized by War

Since the warfare paradigm is suggested as the operative and normative principle, it is important to realize that the conditions usually associated with war are perceived as characterizing human life in general and the experience of the Christian in particular. The Christian is living under conditions of war and is therefore under the constant threat of being attacked and overcome by evil spirits. In fact, in terms of the church, the more effective a Christian leader is, the greater the likelihood that this person will specially be targeted by evil forces. The Christian must expect and will experience intense spiritual conflict.

Christian Experience Is Characterized by Fear and Uncertainty

The source of spiritual attack is manifold and ultimately impossible to identify with precision. Any negative feeling or emotion can be evidence of demonization. One can be demonized either by coming into {157} contact with a person who is demon-possessed, by contacting an occult object, or by being present in a place inhabited by, or otherwise associated with, evil spirits. The extent of the fear, if not the terror, and the uncertainty inherent to the Third Wave ideology is particularly evident in Frank Peretti’s novels which take to their logical conclusions the teachings of some of the Third Wave leaders alluded to earlier.

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farmer_fred · #2 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 07:46 AM

And the conbots think Muslims are scary.

Sparky Farkas · #3 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by farmer_fred

And the conbots think Muslims are scary.

That's kind of what I thought. Witchcraft, evil object that can but a mojo on your ass, chasing evil spirits away from towns, superhuman and supernatural demonic people roaming the earth.

redphish · #4 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by farmer_fred

And the conbots think Muslims are scary.

I had been leaning toward voting for McCain (despite some reservations) until Palin was announced for VP. Now there is no way I would even consider voting for McCain. Since it is obvious that one of the main reasons for her nominations was to gain the support of Fundies that think this way, it will be interesting how many other independent votes he will lose as a result of this choice.

Grider · #5 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by redphish

it will be interesting how many other independent votes he will lose as a result of this choice.

It will be interesting how many other independent votes he will GAIN as a result of this choice.

JavaBlack · #6 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 09:27 AM

There's always the chance she doesn't believe any of this silly (*)(*)(*)(*) and just attends the church as a social/family thing.
But she believes enough other silly (*)(*)(*)(*) (abstinence-only education, no abortions in case of rape/incest, etc.) to make her scary enough for me. And the fact that fundies like her does make me all the more scared.
But it's not a changer for me. I half-expected McCain to pick one of these religious right yahoos, as it's the only way he could court them... and as for all the silly "demon" and "we are a warrior race" (*)(*)(*)(*)... it all fits perfectly well into the GOP platform these days even if not in religious terms.
After all, they're always claiming it's "good vs. evil" between cons and libs (demons), that liberals "brainwash" others (demons moving from person to person, existing in regions), and that war is a constant eternal part of humanity... So what's the big deal if Palin does happen to believe all this crap in an actual metaphysical sense?

Herkdriver · #7 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JavaBlack

There's always the chance she doesn't believe any of this silly (*)(*)(*)(*) and just attends the church as a social/family thing.
But she believes enough other silly (*)(*)(*)(*) (abstinence-only education, no abortions in case of rape/incest, etc.) to make her scary enough for me. And the fact that fundies like her does make me all the more scared.
But it's not a changer for me. I half-expected McCain to pick one of these religious right yahoos, as it's the only way he could court them... and as for all the silly "demon" and "we are a warrior race" (*)(*)(*)(*)... it all fits perfectly well into the GOP platform these days even if not in religious terms.
After all, they're always claiming it's "good vs. evil" between cons and libs (demons), that liberals "brainwash" others (demons moving from person to person, existing in regions), and that war is a constant eternal part of humanity... So what's the big deal if Palin does happen to believe all this crap in an actual metaphysical sense?

The attacks on Palin have been in vain.
The nomination has not hurt McCain's candidacy, it's helped.
Keeping attacking Libs!
You're only hurting your own team.
McCain is ahead now, for the first time in weeks.

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows John McCain with a statistically insignificant one-point lead over Barack Obama.

In the first national polling results based entirely on interviews conducted after the Republican National Convention, McCain attracts 47% of the vote while Obama earns 46%. When "leaners" are included, it’s McCain 48% and Obama 47%."

farmer_fred · #8 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Herkdriver

The attacks on Palin have been in vain.
The nomination has not hurt McCain's candidacy, it's helped.
Keeping attacking Libs!
You're only hurting your own team.
McCain is ahead now, for the first time in weeks.

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows John McCain with a statistically insignificant one-point lead over Barack Obama.

In the first national polling results based entirely on interviews conducted after the Republican National Convention, McCain attracts 47% of the vote while Obama earns 46%. When "leaners" are included, it’s McCain 48% and Obama 47%."

So we are supposed to igore the fact that someone who would be a 72-year-old heartbeat from the presidency is a nut? Don't bet on it.

Sparky Farkas · #9 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Herkdriver

The attacks on Palin have been in vain.
The nomination has not hurt McCain's candidacy, it's helped.
Keeping attacking Libs!
You're only hurting your own team.
McCain is ahead now, for the first time in weeks.

Herk,

Unless you believe in superhuman demons, evil objects where possession jumps on people in the vicinity and African witch doctors blessing Alaskan towns to chase out the evil I don't see how you can say it is an attack. Are you refuting the facts or do you accept their veracity?

Does Palin believe in the Third Wave theology practiced by her church? We know she told an audience of high school grads to pray for the new pipeline because the pipeline was God's will. Kind of an odd speech to high school grads talking about pipelines and crap. God's will that the pipeline deal go through? Sounds a lot like George Bush and the Osamas bin Dobson, Falwell, Robertson and Graham (Franklin) to me. And I'm here to tell you a lot of Americans have had a belly full and then some of that dumbassery.

When people begin to validate their actions and needs by calling them God's will I give them wide birth. When presidents and would be vice presidents attempt to validate their actions by saying that it was God's will, I vote for the other guy - every time.

Palin apparently runs with the Third Wave people of her church. That's just as much a red flag as it would be Palin hanging out with crack head and hos. And we know from her actions and speech she seems to have a lot in common with the Third Wavers.

Alice · #10 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 12:39 PM

Here's what I'm expectin' from Palin sometime soon: "God wants me to be VP."

Do we really want another 4 years of that?

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