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Old 09-09-2008, 03:45 AM
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McCain is a politician just like Obama. All of them will promise you whatever it takes to get your vote.
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The 'turning common materials into gold' could relate to machines also.

Let’s use a machine we are all familiar as an example. Your computer. Now the computer has become capable of doing all sorts of things that used to require a lot of human labor: recording information, complex mathematical computations, type setting, translating, DUPLICATING, etc. These tasks no longer have any economic value. If you wanted to make something worth selling on your computer, the only value it would have would be a result of some sort of creative labor on your part. The work that the computer does doesn’t add any value other than the original cost of the computer (in other words the computer doesn’t create any new value.) Everyone has access to a computer and everyone can do the same stuff on their computer so the work of the computer becomes useless. Just like turning everything into gold would be useless.

So what would happen if capitalists ever got to the point that they tried to replace workers altogether? The economy would cease to function because no value would be created. Profits would fall to zero because capitalists could no longer compete by making labor more efficient. Nobody could buy anything b/c no one would have any money b/c no one would have a job. There would be no capitalism.
You are stuck in a paradigm that doesn't need to be the same. For example, if machines where able to farm without the help of people, the food will still have value. Basicly, the economy would work in a different way, one you are unable to understand.
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Talo and Justice please start a new topic if you're going to go into the viablity of a robotic economy- I get the feeling thats not McCain's policy at any rate.
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How is that possible? Isn't this just debased populism, and an eternal carrot on a stick?
Its easy to say (and to mean it) that you want everybody to be rich. Now the question is, did he make some sort of absurd promise saying he would MAKE everybody rich? I hope not, that would be foolish. Most wealthy people would like more rich people out there. It means more money to spend all around, and so, more money to be made.

Now part of this is going to depend on definitions of rich, too. A great percentage of the people who live under the poverty level in this country are still rich, compared to many of those in other countries. Most of them are rich compared to people in our own country, a hundred years ago.

And then, how many of them would be fairly well off, if they weren't so danged foolish? Going back a few generations, people would scrap and save and do without, to build up their wealth. They would spend their money wisely. Their kids would work to help provide for the family, and help the entire family do better.

Now we have folks who are on welfare, who do nothing. Their kids do nothing. They don't have enough food to eat. But they have Converse tennis shoes, cell phones, and video games.

Maybe we would have more rich people, if those who were poor worked at becoming rich, rather than just trying to act rich when they aren't.

I can tell you, I would have a much better chance of being rich, instead of lower middle class, if I would just use my money more wisely, and not decide every couple of years that I need all kinds of new electronic equipment to keep up with the Joneses. Truth is, most of us have far more stuff than we need, and if we were a little wiser with our money in our early years, we could have a lot more of it (and a lot more stuff) in our later years.

But we would rather complain, and gripe, and buy what we can't afford, and put ourselves in ever greater debt, and then blame those who were wise enough to actually use their money wisely, and so really become rich.

The rich are not to blame for the poor in America. To some extent, the poor are. The rest of it is just the reality of how the universe works.
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He expresses a desire, not a possibility.

I want to go to a different solar system and explore the galaxy. That's a desire. Reality is that this isn't possible.
Both are desires, and neither are possiblilities now. A few years or decades into the future, who knows? Exploring the galaxy is more likely, simply because it doesn't require as much change in a good portion of humanity to allow it to happen, it only requires learning and developing more.

As long as we, as humans, keep holding ourselves back, and whine about those who do better, instead of becoming more like them, the everyone is rich part won't happen.
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Being RICH isn’t all about money. I have an awesome job, make (*)(*)(*)(*) good money. I have a great wife, and great son, who both love me, but would take that to any amount of money.

As long as everyone is happy, everyone would be RICH.
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Being RICH isn’t all about money. I have an awesome job, make (*)(*)(*)(*) good money. I have a great wife, and great son, who both love me, but would take that to any amount of money.

As long as everyone is happy, everyone would be RICH.
I agree I want everyone to be rich, I doesn,t mean I wan't everyone to have
unlimited money. Enjoy your life it is short.
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Being RICH isn’t all about money. I have an awesome job, make (*)(*)(*)(*) good money. I have a great wife, and great son, who both love me, but would take that to any amount of money.

As long as everyone is happy, everyone would be RICH.
Well, that's all very pretty, but don't forget that in Mr. McCain's rarefied richy world, you don't qualify for membership unless/until you make at least $5 million a year.
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How is that possible? Isn't this just debased populism, and an eternal carrot on a stick?

Korse not. I beleve MacCains plan involves everyone signing up for Amway, that wey we all will git rich selling each other toilet paper and cleaning sprey.

You libtards just dont unurstand how economonics werk!!!!
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