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    Quote Originally Posted by cupAsoup View Post
    He's already Putin's puppet. Only so many strings.
    Trump makes sense in many ways... The US befriends Saudia Arabia who is one of the biggest sponsors of terrorism and abides by sharia law, where human rights violations are common place. Who are the leaders of SA? kings, like it was thousands of years ago. So the US considers SA an ally and Russia evil and Putin a thug. It really is amazing...... just take a moment to think about this.

    The US is fine with allies as long as they align with their interests, whether the leaders or the country are 'evil' or 'thugs', doesn't really matter. In many ways, SA is much worse than Russia but it benefits the US to have them as an ally. THINK...

    Trump will be tough on Russia, you watch.. but he's not going to call Putin a thug and demonize Russia at every chance, yet say nothing about SA, ruled by kings and under Sharia Law. It serves no good to be constantly attacking Russia and making Putin out to be a thug, what do we want? a nuclear war? but we are friends with Saudi Arabia and say nothing about the evils here... unbelievable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thinkitout View Post
    You're arguing numbers without providing links??? . . . . STRANGE way to elicit credibility. (BTW, HIS quoted number was 20 million, not 30 million.)
    I watch TV and listen to the radio, so there are no links. Is there some aspect of internet links that makes them the Holy Grail of truth?. The numbers I have heard are all over the place; I have heard both 20 and 30 million. The numbers the Left puts out varies along with the current air temperature and tends to be exaggerated in whatever direction sounds better. Ever notice how things become more accurate as time passes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefSeattle View Post
    Lol! Listening in one ear, while the (*)(*)(*)(*) runs out of the other. Great counter argument you've got going on there; "I've been listening".
    It is understandable that people that are totally immersed in current visual technology will have lost the ability to gain knowledge from audio input. Sort of like humans losing our need for whatever the appendix used to do. However, us older types still retain the ability to understand the spoken language. Have your mommy take you for a hearing test or get an ear syringe and flush the wax buildup out of your ears with a warm water and Dawn dish soap solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynnlynn View Post
    Nothing!
    I'd be pleased to help out. They go to prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike12 View Post
    Trump makes sense in many ways...
    yes, he uses simple language and tweets a lot. It's easy for the poorly educated and those with a low attention span to understand him.
    I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it.
    -George Carlin

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    Quote Originally Posted by REALITY CHUCK View Post
    I watch TV and listen to the radio, so there are no links. Is there some aspect of internet links that makes them the Holy Grail of truth?. The numbers I have heard are all over the place; I have heard both 20 and 30 million. The numbers the Left puts out varies along with the current air temperature and tends to be exaggerated in whatever direction sounds better. Ever notice how things become more accurate as time passes?
    Promulgated distortions are exacerbated by radical partisan propaganda sources. Lies are uncovered without consequence, and motivations become less subtle, but those who are totally absorbed with their own self-interests and unconcerned with the welfare of others and even the fate of our nation nevertheless retain their loyal following.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thinkitout View Post
    Promulgated distortions are exacerbated by radical partisan propaganda sources. Lies are uncovered without consequence, and motivations become less subtle, but those who are totally absorbed with their own self-interests and unconcerned with the welfare of others and even the fate of our nation nevertheless retain their loyal following.
    Ahhh, say that in English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike12 View Post
    Trump makes sense in many ways... The US befriends Saudia Arabia who is one of the biggest sponsors of terrorism and abides by sharia law, where human rights violations are common place. Who are the leaders of SA? kings, like it was thousands of years ago. So the US considers SA an ally and Russia evil and Putin a thug. It really is amazing...... just take a moment to think about this.

    The US is fine with allies as long as they align with their interests, whether the leaders or the country are 'evil' or 'thugs', doesn't really matter. In many ways, SA is much worse than Russia but it benefits the US to have them as an ally. THINK...

    Trump will be tough on Russia, you watch.. but he's not going to call Putin a thug and demonize Russia at every chance, yet say nothing about SA, ruled by kings and under Sharia Law. It serves no good to be constantly attacking Russia and making Putin out to be a thug, what do we want? a nuclear war? but we are friends with Saudi Arabia and say nothing about the evils here... unbelievable.
    But what we are bound to find out is whether international considerations will reflect OUR political interests or HIS personal interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durandal View Post
    And yet these services are way cheaper in other countries. It doesn't add up.
    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publ...al-perspective

    This adds it up quite nicely and the high price per capita is basically due to better technology and less on preventative care. We're basically expensive cars that haven't had an oil change since it was driven out of the dealership. We also take a lot more drugs than people in other countries, and that adds a significant amount to the total. Another is that we've got a lot more specialists, and that costs.

    In other words, you're not really comparing services by country because a technician with several advanced degrees operating a brand new top of the line multi-million dollar MRI machine is not the same service as some guy who took a weekend course in which buttons to push on a 20 year old bottom of the line MRI machine. A nurse in the states is much more likely to have a masters or doctorate than a nurse in Mexico, who doesn't even have a bachelors degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike12 View Post
    everyone should have access to affordable healthcare when they most need it, it is NOT the same as owning a car, a yacht, a mansion... This is where you are dead wrong. In your opinion, it is perfectly fine for insurance companies to treat sick people as nonprofitable business (just as a car or yacht that doesn't sell) and eliminate them (dropping them off plan) or increasing their premiums to unaffordable levels. This is just amoral and shame on you for supporting such practices.

    The problem here is that people are caught up on either socialism or capitalism - it has to be one of the other across the board. Why are americans so extreme in their thinking? Why not have a capitalist society where free markets are supported but have some exceptions - healthcare. When it comes to healthcare, it should not be viewed as running a bank or a car manufacturer, it should be socialized to a degree. We can have socialized insurance (single payer) without socialized medicine so that healthcare remains largely private but insurance is not for profit and more cost effective. It is absurd that free market capitalists think it is perfectly ok to discriminate against sick people because they are unprofitable, tax payers should pick up the tab here.



    A very good post and one of the most sensible Iíve read.

    The NHS in the UK was founded in 1948 by the Labour party (Socialist) after its landslide election victory over Churchillís Tory party. It followed the principle that it was the governmentís responsibility to care for the nationís health from cradle to grave.
    Before, medical care was run by private companies much as is today in America with the result that so many couldnít afford the cost and had to fall back on charity, if they could find one.

    The cost of running the NHS is paid for by the government, the employer and by the individual on a tax on a sliding scale i.e. the more the wage, the more you paid.
    If there was one wage earner in a family then the entire family was covered by the wage earner with no extra cost. If you lost your job you and youíre family were still covered. On reaching retirement age your NHS payment stopped though your cover carried on.

    If we take one example say a single heart bypass, which is a fairly common operation and compare the cost to two patients one American and one British. The cost of the operation and after care to the American is from 70,000 to 90,000 dollars, to the British patient nothing.
    Even if the Americanís insurance covered the cost his premium would shoot skywards.

    In 2014 America was ranked 44th out of 55 nations in health care efficiency and honestly thatís scandalous, you should be demanding much more.

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