This thread is about how conservatives debate in a belligerent way.

[ABoyNamedSue]

Originally Posted by WalkingSoftly

Hypocritical??
I've seen quite a few times when you've said some downright appaling things yourself, me boyo.

Try reading my entire post, before commenting next time.

I had already said that BOTH SIDES were the same. This thread is hypocritical, because the OP only accuses one side of it.

Thanks for proving my point.

[WalkingSoftly]

Originally Posted by ABoyNamedSue

Try reading my entire post, before commenting next time.

I had already said that BOTH SIDES were the same. This thread is hypocritical, because the OP only accuses one side of it.

Thanks for proving my point.

I did read all two sentences of your post. When you label all liberals as communists or socialists the hypocritical part leans way toward the conservative side.
Just look to your current avatar and prove MY point.

[Grider]

Originally Posted by Rapport

Have you ever noticed on this forum, others like it, or even on the political stage that conservatives tend to ignore logic while making their points?

Many times, it is not important to them what you say, but rather that their often untrue viewpoint seems to be the loudest. I like to call it belligerence, and am wondering if anyone else has noticed it.

I see your point however I think it is incorrectly labeled to the conservative side only. I have heard the statements of many liberals and wondered to myself what freekin planet are they from. In fact that is why I joined this board, to engage in conversation with those of opposing viewpoints. Unfortunately, most of the time I try to open a conversation on an opposing view all I get is attitude almost like my mom did when I was 5, it went something like this:

Because I said so! I am your mom and you don't backtalk me or I'll bust your butt!

Know what I mean?

[Daybreaker]

It does seem to me like there are a lot of conservatives who basically just come to the forums so they can hate on liberals. But then, I'm generally on the liberal side, so maybe it just seems that way to me.

I have found that if you're polite to conservatives, they'll often be polite to you. Not all of them, of course, but the ones that have some politeness in them to begin with. The ones that are here for a discussion, as opposed to a shouting match. They're pretty okay.

When Bush was appointed by the Supreme Court, it really ticked me off. When 9/11 happened and I felt that his administration held some responsibility for it, I got angry. When he started invading countries and killing people and spying on Americans, I got mad.

And so I went to the internet so I could yell at Republicans, the people that I held responsible for Bush. I mean, we're talking about people who cheer when the government spies on its citizens, right? We're talking about people who love torture. People who think that killing is the ultimate solution to any problem. It seemed like they were what was wrong with America.

But actually, I think it's that mad -- madness, let's call it -- that's really what's wrong with America. It's a ploy. It keeps the people divided. We're so busy yelling at each other that it never occurs to us to deal with the actual problems. We just want to see the other side defeated, which is stupid, because the other side is also America, which means we're fighting America when we fight each other.

The madness really should stop. We should all grow up. There's no point in trying to defeat each other. The best we can hope for, that way, is to chop off our own arms. Stupid strategy.

[CRIMSON MASK]

Originally Posted by midcan5

liberals tend to be open to new ideas.

Only if those ideas fall lock step with what they already believe in.

I mean really. Have you seen how the left operates on college campuses? Throwing pies at speakers, shouting down speakers, attempting to shut down speakers or groups, etc.

Does that sound like being open to new ideas?

[Irked]

There's no point in being belligerent, is there?

The course I try to take is to state what I know to be true. Those who see clearly will have their opinions reinforced. As for those who disagree, I've found that no amount of argument or discussion (whether polite or not) will dissuade them from their error.

[Rapport]

I've felt that the administration has been ignoring its critics for the past eight years. I've felt that the administration has been ignoring everyone except for itself actually.

That partially results in Bush's approval rating around that of Nixon's during Watergate. The Bush administration pushes its policies without regard for anything besides what it wants, and when they go to far, people just resign. There have been a lot of resignations during Bush's time in office because that's the only way they know how to compromise. Go as far in the direction of neoconservatism as possible, and when it's so far that the public can't stand it, somebody takes the fall, disappears from sight, and they start right up again with something else.

Belligerence is a calculated tactic with proven results. The country is a much different place than it was eight years ago because of it. Karl Rove (and someone mentioned another name earlier in this thread that I can't remember) live by it.

All people are capable of being belligerent during debates or arguments, but on the national stage, republicans are the ones who have perfected it, and use it on a daily basis.

To drive my point home. Palin tied Iraq to 9/11 today, which is a belligerent argument that is not accepted by the general public anymore, but it's a manipulative distraction, and that's the way they roll.

[catmando]

Originally Posted by jhffmn

The way I see it, conservatives understand liberal thought. Liberals fail to understand conservative thought.

Did you notice, you just made an irrational hostile post, complaining how the people not like you are irrational and hostile? I am guessing you didn't.

I didn't notice that either. Where do you see any evidence of irrational hostility in his post?

[Lackluster]

It all boils down to the individual rather than their political persuasion. The more a person identifies with a label, the more they tend to be defensive and belligerant about it, but this tendency works across the board.

[Guy Fawkes]

Originally Posted by Rapport

Have you ever noticed on this forum, others like it, or even on the political stage that conservatives tend to ignore logic while making their points?

Many times, it is not important to them what you say, but rather that their often untrue viewpoint seems to be the loudest. I like to call it belligerence, and am wondering if anyone else has noticed it.

Can you post three example from which we can debate? Personally I ignore people's comments that are based in "feeling" instead of logic. So post some examples for a logical approach to this discussion.