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Old 09-14-2008, 04:25 PM
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How are they hiding Palin? She's been a VP choice for 2 weeks and has already sat for a major interview with ABC.

And Obama started the attack ads and lying with his "McCain wants to stay in Iraq 100 years" crap knowing full well what John meant when he said that.
#1 - one interview with ABC, one with Fox News, so far. I think what all the hubbub is about is the fact that their campaign manager actually said Gov. Sarah Palin won't subject herself to any tough questions from reporters "until the point in time when she'll be treated with respect and deference."

Again. just how thin skinned is this campaign.

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Q: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years — (cut off by McCain)

McCAIN: Make it a hundred.

Q: Is that … (cut off)

McCAIN: We’ve been in South Korea … we’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea 50 years or so. That would be fine with me. As long as Americans …

Q: [tries to say something]

McCAIN: As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That’s fine with me, I hope that would be fine with you, if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Queada is training and equipping and recruiting and motivating people every single day.
Why would we need to be there for 100 years if noone was being killed or injured? He is committed to staying until we win (of course there is no real idea of what that means exactly, I suppose we could be there until the terrorists all get together at the peace table with us or under the white flag, that shouldnt be long now with the 'surge' and all).

I'm not sure what you think we thought he meant, but he clearly said that he would be OK with us staying there indefinitely. Not sure what he believes now or what he will believe next week, but then and there it was full steam ahead for 100 years.
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Old 09-14-2008, 04:30 PM
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#1 - one interview with ABC, one with Fox News, so far. I think what all the hubbub is about is the fact that their campaign manager actually said Gov. Sarah Palin won't subject herself to any tough questions from reporters "until the point in time when she'll be treated with respect and deference."

Again. just how thin skinned is this campaign.

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Why would we need to be there for 100 years if noone was being killed or injured? He is committed to staying until we win (of course there is no real idea of what that means exactly, I suppose we could be there until the terrorists all get together at the peace table with us or under the white flag, that shouldnt be long now with the 'surge' and all).

I'm not sure what you think we thought he meant, but he clearly said that he would be OK with us staying there indefinitely. Not sure what he believes now or what he will believe next week, but then and there it was full steam ahead for 100 years.
If you read McCains statement in context you'll see he talks about having troops in Iraq the same way we still have troops in Japan and Germany, two countries we were in a savage war with more than 60 years ago. No troops are dying in Japan or Germany though.

As for Palin, again, she has been a VP candidate for 2 weeks and has already sat for a major interview with ABC. What more do you want? Obama in 19 months has not sat for many tough interviews.

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Rove: McCain has gone "one step too far" with Ads.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...nt-truth-test/

How fraudulent is your campaign when even Karl Rove calls foul on the legitimacy of his partys ads? lol that's hilarious.
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I would love to see an OBAMA ad where mccain is heard saying at the forum"IT is easy for me to divorce myself from the day to day challenges that the people face."
But this kinda puzzles me,I do believe it is Rove behind these awful lying ads,so then what would be the twist here?Maybe 1 reason would be,it would be a conflict of interest for Rove to work for a news media and have too much bias for a nominee,and maybe some of us are figuring out that Rove is playing it too thin,so he has to divert the issue..mmmm.
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The great thing about the Republican party is that everyone speaks their mind and are free to disagree. In the Democrat party they fax out the talking points every morning and everyone gets in lockstep.
I swear,it just seems to me that the gop does not speak their minds,if that were true I don't think the country would be in the state it's in,the right hand obviously doesn't know what the left is doing,And they don't even care if they agree or disagree,as long as they get their fair share of the money. We dems are more united than the gop,and I am thinking maybe more intelligent.Which is precisely why it is imperative that the dems get the white house back,seems the gop supporters are just happy with the way things are and don't mind 4 more years of it,beats the hell out of me why?
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I swear,it just seems to me that the gop does not speak their minds,if that were true I don't think the country would be in the state it's in,the right hand obviously doesn't know what the left is doing,And they don't even care if they agree or disagree,as long as they get their fair share of the money. We dems are more united than the gop,and I am thinking maybe more intelligent.Which is precisely why it is imperative that the dems get the white house back,seems the gop supporters are just happy with the way things are and don't mind 4 more years of it,beats the hell out of me why?
What an elitist post. Simple question, when has the Democratic party taken on one of it's own or been critical of one of it's own?
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If you read McCains statement in context you'll see he talks about having troops in Iraq the same way we still have troops in Japan and Germany, two countries we were in a savage war with more than 60 years ago. No troops are dying in Japan or Germany though.

As for Palin, again, she has been a VP candidate for 2 weeks and has already sat for a major interview with ABC. What more do you want? Obama in 19 months has not sat for many tough interviews.
Do you people ever read the whole post. The issue isnt that she isnt granting enough interviews. It is that the campaign has closed the door until all the journalists play nice with her.

And I think I made the point about the 100 years. I included the whole statement IN CONTEXT. My point is that he has not changed his stance that we will be there until it's "won". And without a clear idea of what "win" is that could take 100 years.
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Probably the biggest irony of this election is that there is a possibility of having a Palin-Pelosi administration in the next 8 years.
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...nt-truth-test/

How fraudulent is your campaign when even Karl Rove calls foul on the legitimacy of his partys ads? lol that's hilarious.
What you guys don't realize, is that some of the adds McCain never even aired. He just threw out the lipstick add to steal media coverage and throw off Obama.

McCain knows what he is doing. Obama is playing with the big boys now, and the media in his pocket isn't enough to save him.

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Do you people ever read the whole post. The issue isnt that she isnt granting enough interviews. It is that the campaign has closed the door until all the journalists play nice with her.

And I think I made the point about the 100 years. I included the whole statement IN CONTEXT. My point is that he has not changed his stance that we will be there until it's "won". And without a clear idea of what "win" is that could take 100 years.
But that's not what he meant by 100 years. And at this point in time we must succeed in Iraq. The Obama people don't get this. We can't just cut our losses and run. The terrorists would see this as a huge victory and spur them on to even bigger and bolder plans. Also, we owe it to the soldiers who have been killed and wounded to succeed. To pick up, take our ball and go home would be as though they died for nothing.
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But that's not what he meant by 100 years.
OK, I concede that point, I understand your point and I am not trying to change what he meant there in that moment in time.
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And at this point in time we must succeed in Iraq.

The Obama people don't get this. We can't just cut our losses and run. The terrorists would see this as a huge victory and spur them on to even bigger and bolder plans. Also, we owe it to the soldiers who have been killed and wounded to succeed. To pick up, take our ball and go home would be as though they died for nothing.
No one with half a brain would disagree with you here, well everything except the "Obama people don't get this" part. But simply saying that we are there until we win is childish. We are never going to win in the traditional sense and every time someone tries to nail down what 'win' means the question is evaded.

The fact is that one way or another we are going to leave Iraq. I am pretty sure the Iraqi government is going to (or already has) ask us to leave. And at that point we have to move towards a
withdrawal. It may not feel good but it is what we will have to do. And it will finally end the BS that is "Cut and Run".

In the mean time I cannot agree with just staying until we "win". I want to know what "win" will look like. What are we doing to move towards this "win". Even General Petraeus said recently that he didnt think he could ever call a victory in Iraq.

Bush knows we are going to have to leave, McCain knows we are going to have to leave, so tell us the plan for making the most out of the time we have left. I have not heard recently but the news on the "Agreement" doesn't look good. They current answer of "Lets wait and see how it goes" is just not good enough.

And I have to say we should have never been there in the first place even though that matters very little now in so many ways.
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Probably the biggest irony of this election is that there is a possibility of having a Palin-Pelosi administration in the next 8 years.

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What you guys don't realize, is that some of the adds McCain never even aired. He just threw out the lipstick add to steal media coverage and throw off Obama.

McCain knows what he is doing. Obama is playing with the big boys now, and the media in his pocket isn't enough to save him.
It seems as if you're suggesting "it doesn't matter if it's true or not, as long as it works". If so... that is the whats wrong with the mentality of some Americans.
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