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Old 09-15-2008, 06:18 AM
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19th Century Britan, same mentality. It existed in Britain in that way up until WWII when after the war the Attlee government was sworn in and Britain saw its first socialist government which corrected that situation. It seems a bit bizarre that that ideal, faith based charity, should be abroad in such a technologically advanced nation as the US in 2008.
A socialist government does not increase private donations to charities but instead stifles it. As long as People believe it is the government's responsibility they assume no personal responsibility for the welfare of others.

Personal responsibility cannot be superceded by a belief that either Government or God is responsible.
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Democrats tend to believe that the needs of the People are a responsibility of society instead of a responsibility of the individual and that is their excuse for not giving more. Basically their belief is that the Rich should pay but not the average individual.
The biggest reason I will never be a Democrat. Not to offend, but that is against my basic concept of self responsibility.

What's sad is that according to the statistic given, I give more than Biden and I make substantially less than him.
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And proof that the USA is almost the most tight-arsed developed nation earth when it comes to giving aid to developing countries.

They just prefer to invade illegally and murder civilians.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ec...-donor-per-gdp
You are either ignorant of the FACTS regarding charitable giving,or are lying:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16638810/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...aritable_N.htm



So,which is it?
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Why do you applaud lies about America,the MOST GENEROUS NATION,by far?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16638810/
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The sad part is that in Congress their are more millionaires in the Democrat side of the isle than the Republican side, 3 to 1. Dems still give less of their own money.
No worries. They give plenty of your money to causes they would otherwise donate to. So it all comes out even.
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Why do you applaud lies about America,the MOST GENEROUS NATION,by far?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16638810/
I tried to explain it to the ignorant, but they don't understand the 1000 per GDP part of the equation. That's why I posted the link to Nations GDP. Then there's the historical aspect of the USA, if not for us most of the other countries wouldn't even exist.
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You are either ignorant of the FACTS regarding charitable giving,or are lying:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16638810/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...aritable_N.htm



So,which is it?
You are either unable to read the FACTS or are completely STUPID

I quoted figures about aid to developing nations. Which, as a percentage of GDP - the USA is close to being the most tight-arsed on earth.

And when you look at the overseas aid given by the USA - by far, the vast majority of it goes to Israel. Freaking ISRAEL!!! Hardly a "developing" country is it?
http://www.swivel.com/data_sets/show/1002196

Take Israel out of the equation - and the USA is BY FAR the stingiest nation on earth when it comes to assisting overseas development.



So which is it? Illiterate or stupid?
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I tried to explain it to the ignorant, but they don't understand the 1000 per GDP part of the equation. That's why I posted the link to Nations GDP. Then there's the historical aspect of the USA, if not for us most of the other countries wouldn't even exist.
Do you understand what the term "percentage of GDP" means?
Do you understand what the term "developing nations" means?
Do you understand what the term "giving money and weapons to Israel" means"
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A socialist government does not increase private donations to charities but instead stifles it. As long as People believe it is the government's responsibility they assume no personal responsibility for the welfare of others.

Personal responsibility cannot be superceded by a belief that either Government or God is responsible.
The good part about that is that a socialist government will guarantee to act to help whereas private donations to charities are voluntary and for some reason may dry up. Government should be responsible for providing assistance to its citizens and those citizens shouldn't be forced to rely on the whimsy of private charity. Private charity is a great thing, it's good for society in ways greater then the mere provision of assistance, but nothing is as constant and effective as government assistance.
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