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Yes. 17 23.29%
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Old 09-29-2008, 08:17 PM
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Your assertion that youth are not forced to pay taxes is patently false, as they pay the same income taxes as all others working in the formal economy. Your claim that they are "not under the full adherence of the Constitution" is true inasmuch as youth are not granted the Constitutional rights that they are entitled to. As for your claim about 2 year olds, was it a 2 year old or someone in the general age group of a 2 year old that articulated that powerful statement?
Sorry for being all too sarcastic, I truly could teach a five year old to write it though, would that age suffice?

No, minors do not need to pay income taxes; simply because they have the option under law for a viable guardian to pay for necessities. If that parent or guardian does not, the judicial system will decide the best option. Your rebuttal is shallow and reinforces why minors should not vote, if you are or if you are not a minor.
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The decisions of five people on an unelected court are not a testament to the maturity and competence of youth as a whole. The criminal responsibility that they are forced to bear far outstrips the amount of rights they are granted, an egregious double standard that a fair justice system would not tolerate.
The 'decision of...an unelected court' is a right to trial by jury, not a decision. A right. Meaning, it is at the discretion of the minor to accept or deny that right. There are other means to trial.

I do not understand how 'criminal responsiblity' of escaping capital punishment is vindicative of the outstripping of 'the amounts of rights they are granted'. Seems to me minors were let off the hook there, eh?
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Inasmuch as your spurious claims rely on minors' state of forced dependency, they are weak and easily rebuttable. Do you assume that they are in a state of natural dependency on a "viable guardian?" Scarcely more than 100 years ago, what we now think of as "adolescents" were considered adults and assimilated into adult society. At this moment, they are economically disenfranchised by child labor and compulsory schooling laws.
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Inasmuch as your spurious claims rely on minors' state of forced dependency, they are weak and easily rebuttable. Do you assume that they are in a state of natural dependency on a "viable guardian?" Scarcely more than 100 years ago, what we now think of as "adolescents" were considered adults and assimilated into adult society. At this moment, they are economically disenfranchised by child labor and compulsory schooling laws.
If this is your belief, a digression of voting age is not what you are after, there are other laws to be evaluated long before a right to vote.
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If this is your belief, a digression of voting age is not what you are after, there are other laws to be evaluated long before a right to vote.
If that is my belief, the evaluation of other laws might be a more compelling purpose for legislators to attend to should a youth faction be part of the electorate.

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If that is my belief, the evaluation of other laws might be a more compelling purpose for legislators to attend to should a youth faction be part of the electorate.
Are you sixteen? Do you think those without accountability in society should be held accountable to vote for those creating the accounting situation? A little odd, don't you think?

I had a job when I was sixteen, I paid taxes through work, bought a car - taxes included, and paid taxes when I bought a lunch. I had no idea I was being robbed. Good thing my parents paid for everything else.
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Are you sixteen? Do you think those without accountability in society should be held accountable to vote for those creating the accounting situation? A little odd, don't you think?

I had a job when I was sixteen, I paid taxes through work, bought a car - taxes included, and paid taxes when I bought a lunch. I had no idea I was being robbed. Good thing my parents paid for everything else.
As I have stated before, a state of forced dependency is not a compelling reason to deny a disenfranchised minority group the franchise. You could not morally use Jim Crow laws to restrict blacks to low wage jobs and forms of existence, and then claim that they should not have the right to vote because they have low wage jobs. The same cannot be done to youth any more than a father can lock his son in the house and then come home to complain that he did not go outside all day.

Every single lower class worker in existence is a wage slave, young teenagers no less.
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I would obviously prefer the latter, as would those who do not wish to lose hundreds of millions of dollars in investment into the economy.
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There's other taxes besides the income tax. Youths still pay GST etc., so why not? You could say that under eighteens aren't capable of making an informed decision, but it's not like every kid in the world is going to be jumping out of their pants to spend their whole saturday at a polling place. Only the ones that have at least know who they're voting for or have followed the campaigns would bother.

The voting age should be lowered to match the working age. End of.
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The working age is...under 18.
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