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Thread: Should mentally disturbed people be able to buy guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by usfan View Post
    I've got this on order... mossberg shockwave. I think it will be a good HD firearm, & i have lots of them. But i'm primarily an aficionado shooter, not too worried about home invasions in small town Arizona.

    Even with all of the research done on the part of myself to become adequately informed about matters pertaining to firearms and their legality in the united states, it is admitted that there is still much that is presently unknown. The above is an example of that. Is that a purpose built sawed off shotgun from the factory? Or is it custom made?
    If one cannot have an argument without resorting to hyperbole, name calling, and emotional rhetoric, then they have lost the argument from their first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kode View Post
    What is wrong with them?!!! Seriously mentally disturbed people should be able to buy firearms?? REALLY??

    What's going on here? Why would Congress do such an obviously stupid thing?
    I don't favor transgender bathrooms, and I feel that the principles involved in the two scenarios are quite similar; however, the potential for far more drastic consequences exists when mentally unbalanced individuals are permitted access to firearms. IMO, ALL mass shooters are mentally ill.

    Although it doesn't seem that logic has been an important factor in our lawmaking process lately, issuance of drivers' licenses to the blind still isn't permissible in ANY state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas giants View Post
    Their right to freedom. They can be held against their will
    In most states this requires evidence signed off on by a judge and a medical professional that the person poses a current risk to themselves or others. That loss of right is conditional to current state of mind, not historical state of mind unless they have been convicted of an actual crime. Mental illness is not a crime, nor are all types of mental illness predictive of violent behavior.
    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep

    “Indeed, a major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it… gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.” - Milton Friedman

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    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep

    “Indeed, a major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it… gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.” - Milton Friedman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fangbeer View Post
    In most states this requires evidence signed off on by a judge and a medical professional that the person poses a current risk to themselves or others. That loss of right is conditional to current state of mind, not historical state of mind unless they have been convicted of an actual crime. Mental illness is not a crime, nor are all types of mental illness predictive of violent behavior.
    Here in British Columbia, Canada, they require that two medical doctors be present to certify someone, and they also have to fill out certificates at various intervals of time. The patient also has the right to a review panel, which has the power to de-certify him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kode View Post
    What is wrong with them?!!! Seriously mentally disturbed people should be able to buy firearms?? REALLY??

    What's going on here? Why would Congress do such an obviously stupid thing?
    As we have a mentally disturbed gentleman in control of the US military including seven thousands nuclear warheads so we have more problems then such people owning firearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillRM View Post
    As we have a mentally disturbed gentleman in control of the US military including seven thousands nuclear warheads so we have more problems then such people owning firearms.
    ah more nonsense from the Boo hoo Hillary lost crowd.

    the whole claim by gun banners is complete bovine excrement

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bl...1&sf56642997=1

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    Depends on the manner of being "mentally disturbed". That's too broad of a category to make a blanket judgment on.

    But for those with mental problems where there is cause to suspect violence was occur, prohibit gun sales. Won't stop every nut, but it will stop more than not doing anything at all. And sure, the nuts could always grab another object to use as a weapon, but that's not an argument for making it easy to obtain firearms. Just because other weapons can still be obtained does not equal guns needing to be just as easy to get.
    I may be on the side of the angels...but don't think for one second that I am one of them.

    If you voted for Trump or Clinton, you don't get to complain about government corruption, dishonesty, and unethical behavior. You just voted for it.

    Republicans, be glad that when Trump was deciding which party would take him that yours was the most desperate. He could have easily ended up a Democrat and you would have had to suck it up and vote for a D to get your "anti-establishment" "uprising".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junkieturtle View Post
    Depends on the manner of being "mentally disturbed". That's too broad of a category to make a blanket judgment on.

    But for those with mental problems where there is cause to suspect violence was occur, prohibit gun sales. Won't stop every nut, but it will stop more than not doing anything at all. And sure, the nuts could always grab another object to use as a weapon, but that's not an argument for making it easy to obtain firearms. Just because other weapons can still be obtained does not equal guns needing to be just as easy to get.
    There are over 300 millions firearms in private hands in the US IE more then one firearm per adult so how in the hell are you going to stop someone from gaining a firearm even if you could shut down gun shops sales to him at least directly.

    Take a trip to the dark net and see the firepower you can buy for that matter using bitcoins.
    Last edited by BillRM; Feb 16 2017 at 09:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fangbeer View Post
    In most states this requires evidence signed off on by a judge and a medical professional that the person poses a current risk to themselves or others. That loss of right is conditional to current state of mind, not historical state of mind unless they have been convicted of an actual crime. Mental illness is not a crime, nor are all types of mental illness predictive of violent behavior.
    Exactly. And it can be the same with gun ownership. Due process must apply

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