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Old 09-19-2008, 07:44 AM
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Icon5 Did Georgia use US weaponry to bomb South Osetia?

People defending the US military might keep saying that Georgia was only armed with old cold war 60 year old grenades from former Soviet republic.

CNN, Fox News and the 'credible' western media seems to stay quiet (neutral) on this topic, so we can not get an answer from them

Russian Generals and investigations confirm the opposite:
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MOSCOW, September 10 (RIA Novosti) - Georgia deployed weaponry imported from 14 countries in its recent war with Russia over South Ossetia, Russia's chief military prosecutor said on Wednesday.

Georgia attacked South Ossetia on August 8 in an attempt to regain control over the republic, which split from Tbilisi in the early 1990s. Moscow subsequently launched a five-day operation to "force Georgia to accept peace."

"We have evidence showing that Georgia used against South Ossetia tanks, artillery, air defense systems, MLRS and other weaponry delivered from 14 countries," Sergei Fridinsky said, adding that the majority of military equipment came from the U.S. and Ukraine.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080910/116687950.html
So which is true?
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Old 09-19-2008, 07:52 AM
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No they have more recent stuff. Just most of it being leftover from Russia or sold to them by old Soviet bloc countries.

But their armed forces are a mishmash of stuff. They've got some Israeli weapon systems, some stuff from France and Greece.

They have some US rifles. And I think we might have been willing to sell them more if they asked. But even Russian reports where they name weapons systems used only list Russian designs.

Again I don't think the US even has a rocket artillary system we could have sold them.
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People defending the US military might keep saying that Georgia was only armed with old cold war 60 year old grenades from former Soviet republic.

CNN, Fox News and the 'credible' western media seems to stay quiet (neutral) on this topic, so we can not get an answer from them

Russian Generals and investigations confirm the opposite:


So which is true?
Emphasis on the "and Ukraine" part of that Russian general's statement. Ukraine is armed with Russian designed equipment and that equipment formed the basis of Georgia's army as well.

Georgia only had a handful of US made rifles and Humvee's, the majority of their combat equipment (rifles, machine guns, tanks, APC's trucks, fighters, SAM's, rocket artillery, etc.) are all Russian designed and not manufactured in the US.

Look up pictures of Georgian troops fighting in Ossetia. They have Russian AK's, Russian T-72 tanks, Russian SA-7 Missiles, Russian BTR ZPC's, Russia Grad Rocket Artillery systems.

Russia beat up a force armed with Russian equipment. Not a US equipped force.
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Old 09-19-2008, 10:40 AM
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Emphasis on the "and Ukraine" part
NO. emphasis on US part - I do believe US has more sophisticated technology then Ukraine

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I didn't see any Georgian troops fighting Russians, just a bunch of American equipment that they left behind - the combat operations were over in 5 days; long time ago
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Who cares? Watching someone from Italy tell you that your arguments are flaccid and baseless is no less amusing than if someone from Japan did it.

The point is that it was done.

However, someone from Iran or Russia calling you out on your fallacies would move much closer to "poetic justice".
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NO. emphasis on US part - I do believe US has more sophisticated technology then Ukraine

I didn't see any Georgian troops fighting Russians, just a bunch of American equipment that they left behind - the combat operations were over in 5 days; long time ago
I guess you haven't been paying attention to any of the posts in response to you, because several people have posted pictures of Georgian troops on Russian equipment. Fact: Any Georgian Order of Battle that you find shows that the vast majority of their equipment was Russian/Soviet in origin.

And since the only US equipment Georgia had was some M-16's and a handful of HUMVEE's you must be so proud of powerful Russia rolling over a country with the military strength of Monaco. I mean you are claiming that those were the only weapons they had.

Note: The Russians captured the US equipment while it was in port, ready for transport back to the United States. If wasn't being used for combat, even the Russian news sites confirm that.

Here's some pics since you are obviously too lazy or too busy lying to look them up yourself:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=127377
http://www.armyrecognition.com/Russe...062007_001.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...D-04-11509.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Georgian_BTR-80s.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:G...DANA,_2008.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...idarnost_2.jpg

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Georgian, Russian and South Ossetian forces are equipped with predominantly Soviet-made weapons, in particular, Sukhoi Su-25 attack aircraft,[285] T-55 and T-72 tanks, and AK-74 rifles; however, Georgia has recently also been acquiring some western-made weaponry, including the UH-1 Iroquois helicopters and M4 Carbine rifles from the United States, 152mm SpGH DANA self-propelled guns and RM-70 Multiple rocket launchers from the Czech Republic and Slovakia, Turkish Otokar Cobra armoured vehicles, and German Heckler & Koch G36 and Israeli IMI Tavor TAR-21 rifles. Georgian Ministry of Defense released a press statement, that "the Georgian armed forces have GRADLAR 160 multiple launch rocket systems and MK4 LAR 160 type (with M85 bomblets) rockets with a range of 45 kilometers". [286] Ukraine has supplied Georgia with weapons, reportedly including AA missiles, Armoured Personnel Carriers and small arms.[287]
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I guess you haven't been paying attention to any of the posts in response to you, because several people have posted pictures of Georgian troops on Russian equipment.
Your sites and your pictures kind of lose credebility when they forget to mention the first part of the conflict eg. Georgian attack of S.O. at 12AM

Russia Seizes Arsenal Of U.S. Weapons in Georgia take your pic

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/Ne...20-%20Military

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020602

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...0906-voa01.htm

http://poligazette.com/2008/08/16/ru...ns-in-georgia/


http://www.urlfan.com/local/russia_s.../95649678.html

http://www.urlfan.com/local/russia_s.../95649678.html

http://s.wsj.net/article/SB121884933721146317.html
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Your sites and your pictures kind of lose credebility when they forget to mention the first part of the conflict eg. Georgian attack of S.O. at 12AM

Russia Seizes Arsenal Of U.S. Weapons in Georgia take your pic
Wow, still slinging out lies. That's awesome. Lets go link by link and prove how you are wrong.

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This link didn't even work when I tried it.

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The Russians found a few hundred rifles. Backs up what I've been saying. You're still wrong.

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This one is specualtion by the Russians that the US might have been sending in weapons disguised as aide after the conflict was over and the report has absolutely no proof to back it up

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This one is just a repeat of the article in your second link. Russian soldiers found a few hundred rifles, backing up my position. Thanks for the help.

First off I don't speak Russian. Secondly, German weapons aren't American weapoins, are they?

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Would you look at that! Yet another repeat of the second article! Russian soldiers find a few hundred rifles. But I guess when you are grasping at straws you go with whatever you can get and just try and inundate the other guy with links, huh?

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This one is not only a repeat of the second article, its the exact same link you posted above.

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This article is about domestic weapons platforms in the United States getting a boost do to the Georgian conflict. It has nothing to do with arming or re-arming Georgia.

Just conceed defeat, admit fault, and drop the point. You've lost.
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And I've said it in other threads. But even if there were US weapon systems in Georgia that wouldn't have been a big deal. We were friendly with them. We could have sold them something.

However it seems that we simply hadn't. Except for the before mentioned rifles that even US civilians can buy with a class III licence.

Serious terrorist as mentioned before even the Russians aren't making specific claims as to what military grade weapons the US gave the Georgians. They just do some vague hand waving and hope idiots buy in.
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We were friendly with them. We could have sold them something.
That's the good thing about getting your 'friendlies' do the testing for you - if you get your arses wooped, you claim you had no involvement in it, hehe

Keyword here is "FRIENDLY".... Georgia, the US friendly, wooped like a pittbull by a bear. and for quester to deny that Georgia attacked S.O is admittance of defeat
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