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Default "Trickle Up" economics. Does it work?

Tax cuts for the lower classes/consumers increasing their flow of discretionary income. Lower classes tend to spend a larger % of their income than upper classes, so a larger chunk of the tax cut will go directly back into circulation and into the businesses that consumers choose to spend their money in. These businesses, benefitting from increased revenue and demand, in turn increase their supply by hiring more people, giving employees raises, or increasing the quality of their products to attract a larger share of the growing demand.

But does it work?
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Potential problems arise when you realize that the economy of the normal 1st world country is not a closed economy. Lower income families tend to spend more money on foreign goods, usually goods from China, Taiwan, India, and other places where labor is cheap. More money flows out of the country and since you are taxing businesses higher, those businesses will have incentive to leave.

There is no easy answer to the problems of the economy. Trickle down doesn't give much at all to those who need it, and trickle up increases our trade deficit.
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It's at least as conceivable as the trickle down theory, with one exception I can think of of, a larger percentage of people will have money in their pocket to spend as they please without having to worry if it trickles down.
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Potential problems arise when you realize that the economy of the normal 1st world country is not a closed economy. Lower income families tend to spend more money on foreign goods, usually goods from China, Taiwan, India, and other places where labor is cheap....

Trickle down doesn't give much at all to those who need it, and trickle up increases our trade deficit.
Whose fault is that? If US companies didn't look for cheap labor or goods overseas, people here wouldn't be losing their jobs, having to take service ones, rather than keeping good paying manufacturing jobs.
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Whose fault is that? If US companies didn't look for cheap labor or goods overseas, people here wouldn't be losing their jobs, having to take service ones, rather than keeping good paying manufacturing jobs.
Yeah, and if we could pull oil out of our butts, we wouldn't have an oil crisis.

The fact is that when someone who is nearly out of money has a choice between something that costs $10 and was made in China and something that costs $15 and was made here, they will choose the Chinese product. That is good for the Chinese economy, not ours.

It's not about assigning blame, it's about dealing with reality and trying to find a solution.
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how about the government cutting back and everyone will have more , trickling up and trickling down , seems better to me?
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That's pretty hard to quantify. I would think that a good place to look is the overall performance of the economy following large tax cuts on the middle class. But those cuts didn't happen in a vacuum. Ususally, they were accompanied by cuts for the wealthy and other world events that influenced the overall performance of the economy. I don't know that there has ever been a tax cut that applied only to the middle class, or a tax increase for that matter.
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Tax cuts for the lower classes/consumers increasing their flow of discretionary income. Lower classes tend to spend a larger % of their income than upper classes, so a larger chunk of the tax cut will go directly back into circulation and into the businesses that consumers choose to spend their money in. These businesses, benefitting from increased revenue and demand, in turn increase their supply by hiring more people, giving employees raises, or increasing the quality of their products to attract a larger share of the growing demand.

But does it work?
It doesent work for the following reasons.

1) More money at the expence of others causes more inflation. Whenever you take money from business they only transfer it over to the consumer. So the end result is that you both have more money and pay for more expensive goods and services as the economy slows.

2) Companies and people who are forced to pay a welfare check to others dont get their money back no matter how you slice the pie. The people who get their money dont spend it on goods and services that come back to the small business owners.

3) Companies and people who are forced to pay for the welfare of others end up fireing workers, cutting healthcare plans, and moving overseas. Furthermore people who have wealth are less likely to buy luxery iteams that they can only afford causing job loss and destruction of thoes business.

4) People who get free money off of the sweat and determination of others become dependant on that money and are less likely to strive to make a proper living.

5)
When people who make $250,000 a year get more money if they make $225,000 a year then whats the purpose of striving to make more money? Its class warfare and if they have earned their pay then by god let them keep it! They strived for it, sweated for it, and busted there ass for it! It belongs to them! I know your jelause that they worked harder than you as you sat on your ass and did nothing but that doesent mean that you should steal from them!

6) people who invest for retirement and make over $250,000 a year, spend less money in the market causing the market to grow at a much slower rate. When the market grows at a slower rate so does jobs, and worker pay.

Concludsion: If you dont have the determination and drive to make it on your own than that is your right as an American. However you do not have the right to steal the rights and priviliages of others in order to gain non existant rights and priviliages for yourself. We have the right to lofe liberty and the persuit of happyness. Not the guarentee of happyness sponsered by the hard work of others!

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Potential problems arise when you realize that the economy of the normal 1st world country is not a closed economy. Lower income families tend to spend more money on foreign goods, usually goods from China, Taiwan, India, and other places where labor is cheap. More money flows out of the country and since you are taxing businesses higher, those businesses will have incentive to leave.

There is no easy answer to the problems of the economy. Trickle down doesn't give much at all to those who need it, and trickle up increases our trade deficit.
I believe it's true both ways. tax breaks to the top could just mean that the top outsources and buy's more products from China, Taiwan, India and other places also where labor is cheap and sells that to the american consumer. In either case, trickle up or trickle down, there is no reason to believe, as far as I know, that one will cause more production within the US boundaries than the other.
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