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Old 09-24-2008, 04:10 AM
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But that's the thing, Barr won't win, and some would have wasted thier vote and McCain would win.
That’s a self-fulfilling prophesy. When folks say so-and-so can’t win, so I’ll vote for somebody else, they’re assuring that so-and-so can’t win. Enough of that counter productive mentality, and you literally guarantee that what you really want will fail. How freggin stupid is that?

As a matter of fact, it wouldn’t matter if there were no Ron Paul or Bob Barr on the ballot or even in the world, I still wouldn’t vote for McCain or Obama with a gun to my head. I’d vote for “NOTA”, (None Of The Above), or myself in the write in section. You see, I can only vote for constitutional advocacy which neither McCain or Obama support, they’re both BIG government, social authoritarian wonks. Constitutional principles are the only thing worth my vote.

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McCain has admitted he wants more war, someting that is in nobody but his own interests.
Since Democrats have presided over at least half of America’s unconstitutional, undeclared, unnecessary wars, what makes you believe that Obama would be any different? What about Obama’s socialized unconstitutional health care plan? What about his record of votes for socialism? What about his attempts to bribe the American voter with promises to redistribute other people’s money? None of that is constitutional. McCain voted against the Second Amendment and created a violation of the First Amendment with his share of McCain Feingold legislation and supports unconstitutional, undeclared, unnecessary preemptive war.

No thanks Skinny, I’ll never vote for the likes of McCain or Obama, I was taught better by my Momma! She started me reading the Constitution when I was only 10. The Constitution is my political guiding light. That automatically eliminates the vast, vast majority of Democrats and Republicans from my ballot. They’re not worth the powder and led it would take to blow them up. They created this financial crisis and every unconstitutional, undeclared, unnecessary war. They’ve forced-socialized America. They’ve spit on the Constitution and trashed it. They use other people’s money to bribe votes. A vote for them is a PURE WASTE!

You go ahead and waste your vote on a socialist BIG government creep Skinny, I’ll vote for the Constitution.
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Old 09-24-2008, 04:24 AM
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Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). We've survived 8 years of Dubya. Four years of Obama won't kill us. Besides, there's so little difference between Obama and McCain I'm hard pressed to decide which is worse.
I'm a registered Republican, and while I'm not staying home I'm certainly not voting for McCain either.

Certainly vote how you want but to say there is no difference between McCain and Obama makes no sense. One guy brings a lifetime of leadership, accomplishments, courage, and sacrifice to the table and the other guy made a speech in 2002.
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Old 09-24-2008, 04:27 AM
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But that's the thing, Barr won't win, and some would have wasted thier vote and McCain would win.

McCain has admitted he wants more war, someting that is in nobody but his own interests.
Where did McCain say he wants more war? I heard him say not too long ago he hates war. He should know. He sacrificed more for his country than Obama ever could and learned first hand the horrors of war.

We must stand tall and be tough now. We are already at war and to take a flower power approach is naive

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Old 09-24-2008, 06:52 AM
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The Bush administration has agreed on a timetable the he has been calling for since the beginning of the war. Which is when the iraqi's can take over security, we will pull out. Obama's original timetable was to pull out immediately and the hell with the iraqis.
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:55 AM
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That’s a self-fulfilling prophesy. When folks say so-and-so can’t win, so I’ll vote for somebody else, they’re assuring that so-and-so can’t win. Enough of that counter productive mentality, and you literally guarantee that what you really want will fail.
If the major canidates were the same, and both sucked, I would agree. But I don't think the world can survive a McCain/Palin term.

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As a matter of fact, it wouldn’t matter if there were no Ron Paul or Bob Barr on the ballot or even in the world, I still wouldn’t vote for McCain or Obama with a gun to my head. I’d vote for “NOTA”, (None Of The Above), or myself in the write in section.
Nice speech, but this is the real world. The decission actually matters.

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You see, I can only vote for constitutional advocacy which neither McCain or Obama support, they’re both BIG government, social authoritarian wonks. Constitutional principles are the only thing worth my vote
And I agree with you, but I'm not one of the people saying that thrid parties are wasted votes, I'm saying that McCain can't be given any power.

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What about Obama’s socialized unconstitutional health care plan? What about his record of votes for socialism?
I thought you wanted to deter me from Obama?

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Certainly vote how you want but to say there is no difference between McCain and Obama makes no sense. One guy brings a lifetime of leadership, accomplishments, courage, and sacrifice to the table
This qualifies him for presidency, how?

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Obama's original timetable was to pull out immediately and the hell with the iraqis.
No, that was Ron Paul's. Obama's was to get out in 15 years, over Bush's 50.

American troops may remain in Iraq or the region. These American troops will protect American diplomatic and military personnel in Iraq, and continue striking at al Qaeda in Iraq. If Iraq makes political progress and their security forces are not sectarian, we would also continue training the Iraqi Security Forces. In the event of an outbreak of genocide, we would reserve the right to intervene, with the international community, if that intervention was needed to provide civilians with a safehaven.
-- Obama Campaign.

While McCain's was to get out in one hundred (see video).
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If the major canidates were the same, and both sucked, I would agree. But I don't think the world can survive a McCain/Palin term.
As far as the desire to do violence to our Constitution goes, the candidates are both the same. they both desire that BIG government meddle in corporate and social welfare not authorized by the Constitution. Both are social authoritarian, power mongering wonks.

What makes you believe that the world, ( especially the United States), can survive an Obama/Biden term?


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Nice speech, but this is the real world. The decission actually matters.
You bet it matters! That’s why I wouldn’t vote for either of them. BIG government is a guaranteed failing enterprise. It’s put us in a “Blood For Oil” foreign policy, An economic markets disaster, and never-ending revoking of our individual liberties.

The blueprint, (our Constitution), for a sound, peaceful, flourishing free America is in the supposed foundation for all American law and government, all except for the Sixteenth Amendment. I’m completely convinced that neither Obama or McCain recognizes that fact or has any intention of adjusting either their rhetoric or policies to conform to the oath they will take when and if either is elected President. That’s what matters most to me. So, I’ll simply use the “write-in” and vote for constitutionalism.

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And I agree with you, but I'm not one of the people saying that thrid parties are wasted votes, I'm saying that McCain can't be given any power.
And Obama should get the power because???

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I thought you wanted to deter me from Obama?
Why would I want to do that? I’m not here to deter or convince anybody of anything. I’ve never seen that happen ever on a political forum. People come to these places simply to express political opinions. Minds never get changed in these places. I’m only here to put my two cents in like everybody else. The only person that can change your mind is you.
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Old 09-25-2008, 06:14 AM
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What makes you believe that the world, ( especially the United States), can survive an Obama/Biden term?
They survived Reagan.

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You bet it matters! That’s why I wouldn’t vote for either of them. BIG government is a guaranteed failing enterprise. It’s put us in a “Blood For Oil” foreign policy, An economic markets disaster, and never-ending revoking of our individual liberties.
We can worry about getting a smaller governemnt (something I fully support, being an anarchist), after we stop the world from being destroyed. McCain has admitted that he wants a war with Russia and China.

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And Obama should get the power because???
He doesn't want to start World War III.

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They survived Reagan.
And every other President before and after Reagan, so, what’s so different about McCain and or Obama? America’s foreign policy hasn’t changed since WWII. American Presidents of both parties oversaw and promoted the Iraqi Baath party coming to power in Iraq and opened political doors for the likes of Saddam and saw to it that an elected leader was deposed in Iran and replaced by the Shah. American and British foreign policy delivered up nuclear weapons technology to Israel. American Presidents from Harry Truman to G. W. Bush have shed the blood of America’s youth in unconstitutional, undeclared, unnecessary wars all over the world. The next President, whether it be McCain or Obama will remain in lock step with the United Nations and NATO and be expected by the rest of those members to bear the brunt of military conflicts even while their hatred for us grows. So, what do you see McCain or Obama doing any different than the traditional “World Cop” philosophy and protector of World Oil?

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We can worry about getting a smaller governemnt (something I fully support, being an anarchist), after we stop the world from being destroyed. McCain has admitted that he wants a war with Russia and China.
Then I suppose your not planning to vote at all since anarchist don’t believe in any amount of government, right?

And we’re going to stop the world from being destroyed how? Doesn’t it usually take force to stop something?

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Me thinks your rhetoric and your philosophy are contradictory.
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Skinny, your Youtube video on McCain was totally pieced together. McCain doesn't want war, but he has the common sense to know that the Iraq conflict will not end overnight, and that future conflicts are always a possibility. Since he knows the sacrifice that war brings, on a personal level, he will not just send our troops into a war just for the hell of it.
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