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Old 09-26-2008, 05:54 AM
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Skinny, your Youtube video on McCain was totally pieced together. McCain doesn't want war, but he has the common sense to know that the Iraq conflict will not end overnight, and that future conflicts are always a possibility. Since he knows the sacrifice that war brings, on a personal level, he will not just send our troops into a war just for the hell of it.
Interesting...

"On March 26, McCain gave a speech on foreign policy in Los Angeles that was billed as his most comprehensive statement on the subject. It contained within it the most radical idea put forward by a major candidate for the presidency in 25 years. Yet almost no one noticed.

In his speech McCain proposed that the United States expel Russia from the G8, the group of advanced industrial countries. Moscow was included in this body in the 1990s to recognize and reward it for peacefully ending the cold war on Western terms, dismantling the Soviet empire and withdrawing from large chunks of the old Russian Empire as well. McCain also proposed that the United States should expand the G8 by taking in India and Brazil-but pointedly excluded China from the councils of power.

We have spent months debating Barack Obama's suggestion that he might, under some circumstances, meet with Iranians and Venezuelans. It is a sign of what is wrong with the foreign-policy debate that this idea is treated as a revolution in U.S. policy while McCain's proposal has barely registered. What McCain has announced is momentous-that the United States should adopt a policy of active exclusion and hostility toward two major global powers. It would reverse a decades-old bipartisan American policy of integrating these two countries into the global order, a policy that began under Richard Nixon (with Beijing) and continued under Ronald Reagan (with Moscow). It is a policy that would alienate many countries in Europe and Asia who would see it as an attempt by Washington to begin a new cold war."

"The neoconservative vision within the speech is essentially an affirmation of ideology. Not only does it declare war on Russia and China, it places the United States in active opposition to all nondemocracies. It proposes a League of Democracies, which would presumably play the role that the United Nations now does, except that all nondemocracies would be cast outside the pale. The approach lacks any strategic framework. What would be the gain from so alienating two great powers? How would the League of Democracies fight terrorism while excluding countries like Jordan, Morocco, Egypt and Singapore? What would be the gain to the average American to lessen our influence with Saudi Arabia, the central banker of oil, in a world in which we are still crucially dependent on that energy source?

The single most important security problem that the United States faces is securing loose nuclear materials. A terrorist group can pose an existential threat to the global order only by getting hold of such material. We also have an interest in stopping proliferation, particularly by rogue regimes like Iran and North Korea. To achieve both of these core objectives-which would make American safe and the world more secure-we need Russian cooperation. How fulsome is that likely to be if we gratuitously initiate hostilities with Moscow? Dissing dictators might make for a stirring speech, but ordinary Americans will have to live with the complications after the applause dies down.

To reorder the G8 without China would be particularly bizarre. The G8 was created to help coordinate problems of the emerging global economy. Every day these problems multiply-involving trade, pollution, currencies-and are in greater need of coordination. To have a body that attempts to do this but excludes the world's second largest economy is to condemn it to failure and irrelevance. International groups are not cheerleading bodies but exist to help solve pressing global crises. Excluding countries won't make the problems go away."

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Not only will this ruin countless lives in Russia and China, it will result in severe militaryy tension.
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Old 09-26-2008, 05:58 AM
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And every other President before and after Reagan, so, what’s so different about McCain and or Obama? America’s foreign policy hasn’t changed since WWII. American Presidents of both parties oversaw and promoted the Iraqi Baath party coming to power in Iraq and opened political doors for the likes of Saddam and saw to it that an elected leader was deposed in Iran and replaced by the Shah. American and British foreign policy delivered up nuclear weapons technology to Israel. American Presidents from Harry Truman to G. W. Bush have shed the blood of America’s youth in unconstitutional, undeclared, unnecessary wars all over the world. The next President, whether it be McCain or Obama will remain in lock step with the United Nations and NATO and be expected by the rest of those members to bear the brunt of military conflicts even while their hatred for us grows. So, what do you see McCain or Obama doing any different than the traditional “World Cop” philosophy and protector of World Oil?
McCain is more extreme (see the story in the above post).

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anarchist don’t believe in any amount of government, right?
Yes, but there is a government now. No use in pretending it doesn't exist.

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And we’re going to stop the world from being destroyed how? Doesn’t it usually take force to stop something?
No it takes not voting for McCain.

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Me thinks your rhetoric and your philosophy are contradictory.
Elaborate.
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