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Old 09-22-2008, 07:50 PM
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Many conservatives have threatened to stay home in the November election to punish the republican party for not nominating a candidate who is conservative enough. The question I have is not whether John Mccain is conservative enough, but whether we can afford an Obama presidency.
A few of the key issues are the possible appointment of two supreme court justices, making the Bush tax cuts permanent, the Iraq and Afghan wars and the threat of national health care being implemented. After an Obama presidency we could be left with two extremely liberal justices. We could be left with the Bush tax cuts being left to expire,which would lead to the biggest tax hike in american history. We could be left with our troops being pulled out of Iraq when we are so close to victory, leaving the deaths of our brave troops to go for naught and we could be left with the implementation of a government run health care system that would destroy the greatest healthcare system in the world. Sitting this election out will serve only to shoot ourselves in the foot. Our hand is being forced, we must support Mccain. We must also support conservatives at the local level. The reason the "conservative movement" is faltering is that we don't have enough conservatives moving up through the ranks from the local to the national level. We need to regain control of the house and senate,and eventually the presidency, when we get the chance.
Should conservatives stay home in November? Absolutely not, on the contrary, we need to come out in full force. We need the appointment of these justices to go our way, that alone may be enough to support Mccain, so keep the faith, suck it up and vote Mccain in November, if not only to stop the onslaught of liberalism in our government and institutions.http://www.rightmiddleclass.blogspot.com
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Old 09-22-2008, 08:12 PM
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Many conservatives have threatened to stay home in the November election to punish the republican party for not nominating a candidate who is conservative enough. The question I have is not whether John Mccain is conservative enough, but whether we can afford an Obama presidency.
Sure. Hyperbole is just that: Hyperbole. Neither Obama nor McCain will destroy the country.

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A few of the key issues are the possible appointment of two supreme court justices, making the Bush tax cuts permanent, the Iraq and Afghan wars and the threat of national health care being implemented.
Even if Obama appoints two justices, it will simply be replacing two existing liberal justices. It won't come close to negating the appointments Bush has made.

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We could be left with the Bush tax cuts being left to expire,which would lead to the biggest tax hike in american history.
No, it wouldn't. Never mind that the alternative to letting *some* of the Bush tax hikes expire is continued mind-blowing deficits.

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We could be left with our troops being pulled out of Iraq when we are so close to victory, leaving the deaths of our brave troops to go for naught
#1, Iraq and the Bush administration have already basically agreed on a timetable for withdrawal that closely matches what Obama has proposed. #2, no soldier's deaths would be for naught. That's just crap, to judge the value of a soldier's sacrifice by whether the specific policy he was sent to war for succeeded or failed in every particular.

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we could be left with the implementation of a government run health care system that would destroy the greatest healthcare system in the world.
Of course, Obama's plan isn't for a government-run health-care system. You seem highly misinformed about his actual proposals.

Never mind that American businesses increasingly support a system where health care isn't tied to employment, because they simply can't afford it anymore.

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Sitting this election out will serve only to shoot ourselves in the foot.
Who's "us"?

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The reason the "conservative movement" is faltering is that we don't have enough conservatives moving up through the ranks from the local to the national level. We need to regain control of the house and senate,and eventually the presidency, when we get the chance.
The reason the conservative movement is faltering is because you're not very conservative anymore. You fetishize cutting taxes but don't cut spending. You fetishize deregulation and then act surprised when unregulated companies do greedy, stupid things -- and then you cough up $1 trillion to bail them out. You borrow-and-spend, perhaps the only fiscal policy worse than tax-and-spend. You get involved in mind-bogglingly expensive wars that do little to enhance our security.

You need to remember what it means to be conservative, and come up with a coherent set of policies that reflect those values and also work in the real world.
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The question I have is not whether John Mccain is conservative enough, but whether we can afford an Obama presidency.
Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). We've survived 8 years of Dubya. Four years of Obama won't kill us. Besides, there's so little difference between Obama and McCain I'm hard pressed to decide which is worse.
I'm a registered Republican, and while I'm not staying home I'm certainly not voting for McCain either.
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Everyone who feels they have a voice should vote. I can understand why true conservatives (not neo-cons) would feel they don't have a voice in this election. There is not a true conservative on either major ticket. I urge those who feel this way to vote for the third party candidate who best fits your views or to write in a candidate.

I also challenge you to make every attempt over the next four years to take the leadership of your party away from th neo-cons so that you will have a voice in 2012 (and so that I, an independent, will have a real choice in as well)

Conservatism is a sound and noble belief. Neo-conserative, not so much.
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Many conservatives have threatened to stay home in the November election to punish the republican party for not nominating a candidate who is conservative enough. The question I have is not whether John Mccain is conservative enough, but whether we can afford an Obama presidency.
A few of the key issues are the possible appointment of two supreme court justices, making the Bush tax cuts permanent, the Iraq and Afghan wars and the threat of national health care being implemented. After an Obama presidency we could be left with two extremely liberal justices. We could be left with the Bush tax cuts being left to expire,which would lead to the biggest tax hike in american history. We could be left with our troops being pulled out of Iraq when we are so close to victory, leaving the deaths of our brave troops to go for naught and we could be left with the implementation of a government run health care system that would destroy the greatest healthcare system in the world. Sitting this election out will serve only to shoot ourselves in the foot. Our hand is being forced, we must support Mccain. We must also support conservatives at the local level. The reason the "conservative movement" is faltering is that we don't have enough conservatives moving up through the ranks from the local to the national level. We need to regain control of the house and senate,and eventually the presidency, when we get the chance.
Should conservatives stay home in November? Absolutely not, on the contrary, we need to come out in full force. We need the appointment of these justices to go our way, that alone may be enough to support Mccain, so keep the faith, suck it up and vote Mccain in November, if not only to stop the onslaught of liberalism in our government and institutions.http://www.rightmiddleclass.blogspot.com
Conservatives? What conservatives? The only REAL conservatives left in this country are going to write in Ron Paul/Bob Barr. The neo-con dupes will all turn out to vote for BIG GOVERNMENT McNasty and every communist lite and not so lite will turn out to vote for Obombedbrain., the really far out will vote for Nutty Nader. Thus, the only folks that vote for McCain or Obama are the lovers of BIG intrusive, screwed up government and the idiots that don’t know any better.
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Conservatives? What conservatives? The only REAL conservatives left in this country are going to write in Ron Paul/Bob Barr. The neo-con dupes will all turn out to vote for BIG GOVERNMENT McNasty and every communist lite and not so lite will turn out to vote for Obombedbrain., the really far out will vote for Nutty Nader. Thus, the only folks that vote for McCain or Obama are the lovers of BIG intrusive, screwed up government and the idiots that don’t know any better.
Indeed, neither are any good. Though if the majority in your country are either going to vote for McCain or Obama, some may consider it best to vote for the lesser of the two evils (Obama) since they just can't risk McCain winning.
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Indeed, neither are any good. Though if the majority in your country are either going to vote for McCain or Obama, some may consider it best to vote for the lesser of the two evils (Obama) since they just can't risk McCain winning.
Sorry Skinny, but my Momma taught me that evil is still evil no matter wherever, however and whoever it belongs to.

She also taught me that just because the majority decides to jump off of a cliff, I’d be a moron if I followed them.

What makes you think we can risk Obasma?

I’ll just vote for the Constitution/Paul/Barr, and let the majority finish fuc***ng up America. I’d much, much rather be a part of the solution no matter how lonely that may be, than part of the same old problem as assured as that is.
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Sorry Skinny, but my Momma taught me that evil is still evil no matter wherever, however and whoever it belongs to.

She also taught me that just because the majority decides to jump off of a cliff, I’d be a moron if I followed them.

What makes you think we can risk Obasma?

I’ll just vote for the Constitution/Paul/Barr, and let the majority finish fuc***ng up America. I’d much, much rather be a part of the solution no matter how lonely that may be, than part of the same old problem as assured as that is.
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Sorry Skinny, but my Momma taught me that evil is still evil no matter wherever, however and whoever it belongs to.

She also taught me that just because the majority decides to jump off of a cliff, I’d be a moron if I followed them.

What makes you think we can risk Obasma?

I’ll just vote for the Constitution/Paul/Barr, and let the majority finish fuc***ng up America. I’d much, much rather be a part of the solution no matter how lonely that may be, than part of the same old problem as assured as that is.
But that's the thing, Barr won't win, and some would have wasted thier vote and McCain would win.

McCain has admitted he wants more war, someting that is in nobody but his own interests.
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Of course conservatives should stay home. And I'm quite consistent on this stance. I believe they should stay home every election.
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