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Old 09-27-2008, 07:54 PM
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I suppose you only said it was "good".

Somewhere in that long ramble he had a point. And that was that Republicans also place value on things like family, country, and "purity". Whereas for Democrats it's all about me, indaviduals, and whales.

While I don't think that provides the whole picture by a long shot it is another aspect. Certainly I think Democrats could gain some ground with moderates and swing votes if they'd put some focus on family and country in a practical sense. Or at least do better lip service than the fairly weak lip service they provide.
are you trying to say dems dont love god, their families or this country? there are many dems that are fighting this war. many dems that go to church and many dems that are patroits---so whats your point because i am offened by your biased statement.
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One thing decides who people vote for.

Which do you value more? Economic freedom, or social freedom?

If you value economic freedom more, you will vote Republican.
If you value social freedom and equality more, you will vote Democratic.
If you value neither, you will vote communist.
If you value both, you will vote Libertarian.

Other factors would include the amount of knowledge people have on subjects. Anyone with a basic education in economics would know to vote Republican, while anyone with a basic education in The Constitution and civil liberties will vote Democratic.
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lefties made me vote righty in 2000, and the righty made me vote lefty in 2004.... no more voting for me before US media gets liberated and I get some real candidates to vote for and not just 'Saddam press one, Hussein press 2'
What do we have to do to get you to click on the world news section of CNN? It's just one button!
(For those of you who don't know an ongoing "game" here is where terrorist spouts off about how the American media isn't covering something and then someone else goes and finds the article on CNN. )

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are you trying to say dems dont love god, their families or this country? there are many dems that are fighting this war. many dems that go to church and many dems that are patroits---so whats your point because i am offened by your biased statement.
Well, that's sort of the authors writers point. But I'm not saying all democrats are that way. And it isn't like they totally deprioritize them.

Just that if you list out priorities a democrat is more likely to think

me
other indaviduals
me again
critters and such
family
country
god

And a Republican is more likely to be more like

me
family
god
country
me again
other indaviduals
critters and such
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I suppose you only said it was "good".

Somewhere in that long ramble he had a point. And that was that Republicans also place value on things like family, country, and "purity". Whereas for Democrats it's all about me, indaviduals, and whales.

While I don't think that provides the whole picture by a long shot it is another aspect. Certainly I think Democrats could gain some ground with moderates and swing votes if they'd put some focus on family and country in a practical sense. Or at least do better lip service than the fairly weak lip service they provide.
I was talking to a friend's little girl, and she said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, 'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?

'She replied, 'I'd give houses to all the homeless people.' 'Wow - what a worthy goal.' I told her, 'You don't have to wait until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and clean my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward a new house.'

She thought that over for a few seconds 'cause she's only 6. While her Mom glared at me, she looked me straight in the eye and asked, 'Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?'

To that I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'
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I was talking to a friend's little girl, and she said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, 'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?

'She replied, 'I'd give houses to all the homeless people.' 'Wow - what a worthy goal.' I told her, 'You don't have to wait until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and clean my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward a new house.'

She thought that over for a few seconds 'cause she's only 6. While her Mom glared at me, she looked me straight in the eye and asked, 'Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?'

To that I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'
Perfect example!!! In the future, may I use your story for illustration purposes?
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I was talking to a friend's little girl, and she said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, 'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?

'She replied, 'I'd give houses to all the homeless people.' 'Wow - what a worthy goal.' I told her, 'You don't have to wait until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and clean my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward a new house.'

She thought that over for a few seconds 'cause she's only 6. While her Mom glared at me, she looked me straight in the eye and asked, 'Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?'

To that I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'
Just to clarify did you, personally, actually do this?
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I mostly vote republican because my core values and beliefs (when the actual vote comes around and the third party has been ruled insignificant) are shared by the republican more than the democrat.
Someday I hope "that" changes... but I don't think "I" will.

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OK, I read through MOST of the article, and eventually, it was just BLAH BLAH BLAH.

This guy misses the mark, completely. Actions speak louder than words, and you need to look at what Republicans DO, then you can see why they say what they say.

First, I suggest the guy go on his computer and study up on Lee At-water. You know, worked for Reagan, H. Bush, became buddies with W. Bush, chaired the RNC, mentored Rove.

Everybody always fails to mention good ole Lee.

Republicans claim the high road and sew doubt. They spread fear by sewing Doubt. "Al Gore claims he invented the Internet." Outright Republican lie. People know it isn't true, but the Republicans keep repeating it and repeating it and repeating it, and that creates a seed we call doubt...

Lee did it to Dukakis. He did it to Foley. Rove did it to Gore. And Kerry.

This guy can make up all he wants, but people vote their gut. People don't want to bother "studying up" on their candidates, so they listen to what's being said. And the Republicans will hammer a half truth or outright lie until people doubt they should vote for the Democrat.

McCain spat out this year's version. "Obama voted to raise taxes on people making as little as $42,000." It's a lie. He voted to let the Bush tax cuts expire. And he fully intends to be there as President to replace the Bush pro wealth cuts with tax relief for the middle class.

The only difference between this election and those of the past 30 years is that McCain hasn't bought into this method. He hired new people for him this year, but they've been around. They helped get Bush elected, and John isn't used to their tactics.

Explains why he couldn't look Obama in the eye, doesn't it?

Fear, doubt, even ridicule. Those are the Republican tactics. It's what they do to get elected. This guy Haidt must work the the RNC, because he doesn't mention any of that.

But let's look at what he does say: "The book of Leviticus makes a lot more sense when you think of ancient lawgivers first sorting everything into two categories: "disgusts me" (gay male sex, menstruation, pigs, swarming insects) and "disgusts me less" (gay female sex, urination, cows, grasshoppers )."

OK, ancients were less disgusted eating grasshoppers than locusts. That's just stupid. Gay male sex verses gay female sex. He's applying his modern morality on the ancient text.

You want to understand Leviticus? Ask a Jew, it's their book!!!

Haidt said, " I often had to correct people when they said things like." Correcting the subjects of the research. Oh yeah, THAT'S good science...

This crap he said, " Drawing on Shweder's ideas, I would say that the second rule of moral psychology is that morality is not just about how we treat each other (as most liberals think); it is also about binding groups together, supporting essential institutions, and living in a sanctified and noble way." He makes a blatant generalization of how MOST LIBERALS THINK and attributes his high almighty, "sanctified and noble" idea to the one thing Republicans understand that Liberals "just don't get."

OK, I know all you Republicans are eating this (*)(*)(*)(*) up like ice cream with hot fudge, so I just have one request. PROVE IT. PROVE MOST LIBERALS THINK THAT WAY. PROVE ALL REPUBLICANS THINK THE OTHER. JUST PROVE IT TO ME. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE!!!

Half my family is Republican. My father voted the candidate, and of my Republican side of the family, he always said, "don't ever buy a car from ANY of them!" Alcoholism ran pretty heavy on that side of my family. My uncle was married 4 times. Gossips. Snipes. And these are the people who this guy claims are for "binding groups together, supporting essential institutions, and living in a sanctified and noble way."

GIVE ME A BREAK!!! This was my family, and I can attest, it was all about the money!

This Haidt guy votes Republican on a NATIONAL, STATE and LOCAL level.

And apparently, I guess he HAS studied up on Lee At-water...

And at THAT point, I swallowed my dinner back down and closed the window on this guy. Couldn't finish reading that crap... PSY-CHO-BABBLE.
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That's a very interesting point. I'm going to reread the article with that assertion in mind.
is that sarcasm? if it is, I don't care for it. The article was interesting but it wasn't groundbreaking news either.
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One thing decides who people vote for.

Which do you value more? Economic freedom, or social freedom?

If you value economic freedom more, you will vote Republican.
If you value social freedom and equality more, you will vote Democratic.
If you value neither, you will vote communist.
If you value both, you will vote Libertarian.

Other factors would include the amount of knowledge people have on subjects. Anyone with a basic education in economics would know to vote Republican, while anyone with a basic education in The Constitution and civil liberties will vote Democratic.
well... you can be educated in economics, but it's still your morals that will decide whether economic priority is for state or individual.
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