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Old 04-08-2004, 09:03 AM
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It's funny but scary how Bush and his administration had confused all the Americans about the war on terrorism.
I'm a soldier currently deployed in Iraq. I still remember the first week of this journey. One those days, our first sergeant was trying to motivate us and after a prayer he said: "They went to our country and killed hundreds of innocent people, and we are here to make sure that doesn't happen again", in reference of the 9/11 attacks.
I was completely shocked, even more because of the cheers of the rest of the soldiers around me. The first sergeant looked at me with those weird eyes wondering why I had that face of surprise and deception.
If we try a little bit to remember about the events of that fateful day, we can easily find out that the terrorist group Al Qaeda claimed to be the responsible of those attacks. They even mentioned the intentions and the reasons for such a terrible thing.
Now, almost 5 months later, I see and hear how Condolezza Rice (National Security Advisor) pointed out that all Americans recognize that we are at war and that the President of the US recognize the importance of that war enough to react to it.
The war is really important, she said!! A couple of soldiers and I were eating dinner together while watching the testimony of Mrs. Rice. As soon as she said that, I stood up and ask: "If that war with Al Qaeda and terrorism is so important, What are we doing here in Iraq? Why aren't we fighting that extremely important war?"
They all looked at me in disbelief, first because they understand where I'm coming from and second because as a soldier I "should support this war".
If Al Qaeda was responsible for the9/11 attack, what are we doing here??
Al Qaeda it's not a terrorist group from Iraq, they have no relation with Saddam Hussein and they are definitely not based in this country where I am right now.
I always believe that Bush had in mind to go to war with Iraq even before he was named President of the US by the Supreme Court. And now, with Clark's testimony and book, all became to light. He planned this war before 9/11 attacks and deriberately used that fateful day to advance his agenda.
He and his administration redirected those feelings of anger and sadness and rage of all American to Iraq. He lied to all of us about the Weapons of mass destruction and used false information to initiate this war. He went to war without UN support, we came here blinded by partisan agenda.and with no real reason to be here.

Now I'm asking myself, If that war on terrorism is so important, what are we doing here in Iraq? why not fight the so called important war?

Look for my next forum, when I'll talk about my experience in Iraq and what I think about it.
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Old 04-08-2004, 09:41 AM
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Default For you personally...

It is a sad state of affairs and I have sadness that you're in the position that you're in.

Are you still connected to Iraq? Do you have to go back?

Also, keep in mind the America supports the troops (right now).

The Bush Lie Machine continues to try and link Iraq to Al Qaeda, knowing there are so many ignorant people in our country who are willing to pay for a faulty bill of goods. The cost will be paid in American lives. Lives for Lies...
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Thanks for the comments. I think it must be hard to be over there in Iraq and know that what you are doing was based on deception. Now that we are there we can't quit, IMO. And I do believe that hopefully we can make Iraq a better nation and that good will come out of the terrible price we are paying. (In reality that you and your fellow soldiers are paying) And everyone I know, including all those who believe the war was unjustified, are proud of you guys.

But I hope the the truth that you know starts to be known to more people. Because what we need in the next election is a leader that can get others to follow. A leader does not work alone and make people act by force. A real leader is one who can bring people together, not divide them apart. And we need to bring the world back together with us to work together to solve the problems in Iraq and to fight terrorism.



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It's funny but scary how Bush and his administration had confused all the Americans about the war on terrorism.
I'm a soldier currently deployed in Iraq. I still remember the first week of this journey. One those days, our first sergeant was trying to motivate us and after a prayer he said: "They went to our country and killed hundreds of innocent people, and we are here to make sure that doesn't happen again", in reference of the 9/11 attacks.
I was completely shocked, even more because of the cheers of the rest of the soldiers around me. The first sergeant looked at me with those weird eyes wondering why I had that face of surprise and deception.
If we try a little bit to remember about the events of that fateful day, we can easily find out that the terrorist group Al Qaeda claimed to be the responsible of those attacks. They even mentioned the intentions and the reasons for such a terrible thing.
Now, almost 5 months later, I see and hear how Condolezza Rice (National Security Advisor) pointed out that all Americans recognize that we are at war and that the President of the US recognize the importance of that war enough to react to it.
The war is really important, she said!! A couple of soldiers and I were eating dinner together while watching the testimony of Mrs. Rice. As soon as she said that, I stood up and ask: "If that war with Al Qaeda and terrorism is so important, What are we doing here in Iraq? Why aren't we fighting that extremely important war?"
They all looked at me in disbelief, first because they understand where I'm coming from and second because as a soldier I "should support this war".
If Al Qaeda was responsible for the9/11 attack, what are we doing here??
Al Qaeda it's not a terrorist group from Iraq, they have no relation with Saddam Hussein and they are definitely not based in this country where I am right now.
I always believe that Bush had in mind to go to war with Iraq even before he was named President of the US by the Supreme Court. And now, with Clark's testimony and book, all became to light. He planned this war before 9/11 attacks and deriberately used that fateful day to advance his agenda.
He and his administration redirected those feelings of anger and sadness and rage of all American to Iraq. He lied to all of us about the Weapons of mass destruction and used false information to initiate this war. He went to war without UN support, we came here blinded by partisan agenda.and with no real reason to be here.

Now I'm asking myself, If that war on terrorism is so important, what are we doing here in Iraq? why not fight the so called important war?

Look for my next forum, when I'll talk about my experience in Iraq and what I think about it.


I think people such as your self should demand that Bush and those like him be tried in a court of law on various charges. Crimes against humanity, lying to the American people to justify going to war against Iraq and there by cost the lives of countless people on both sides including civilians.
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I want to thank you for your words of support.

It's actually kind of hard to be here in Iraq. What really makes it harder is the way Bush has make this all look like. I know the situation here in Iraq is not good now, but it wasn't like that before we came here.

Later I'll write a forum about my personal experience in Iraq and what are the good and bad things going on. Make sure you look for it.
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- - out of SO many the 'w' regime has perpetrated.

They have decieved the people to push their Iraq agenda, which they had in place coming in to office. The memos don't lie. The timeline is there.

I find myself more upset that the IDIOTS in this country couldn't keep straight in their empty heads who it was that killed 300 people on Sept 11th than at the regime using nasty propaganda tactics to push the fools toward believing it.
Day after day after day during his daily dog-and-pony show, 'w' used the words "Saddam" and "Sept 11th" in the same sentences - not coming out directly and saying they were linked, but letting the ignorance of the masses do his work for him. If you say something - or almost say something in this case - often enough, ignorant people will believe it.

That does not bode well for the future of America folks.


Then election season came around the now the regime is using the war as an attack against it's opponent - -and that's about as low as they can sink, except maybe for outing CIA agents, for which they should be hung like the traitors they are.
Those ads that say Kerry voted against body armor and hazard pay make me SO !!!


Here's how The Daily Show w/Jon Stewart satirized that nasty political tactic: they showed a recent tv ad by Halibacon, trying to prop up its reputation (for eeejits who haven't paid attention to their perfidy for years and years) - showing how they provide food service for the troops and laundry service for the troops and phone service for the troops.
Then they show a weepin-with-joy soldier talking to his wife getting the news about his new baby (boy - natch - it's a P.R. ad, after all).

Jon Stewart quips "if you are still against Haliburton YOU ARE AGAINST SOLDIER'S BABIES!"


HEY BUSH-LOVERS - how does it feel to have your tactics tossed in your face? Remember the pre-war crap about "if you don't support 'w''s war you support terrorists"?
Same tactic is being used against Kerry on that blank check for 'w's war agenda vote.



Disgusting, lowlife, nasty, desperate tactics.
I guess that's what 'w' meant during his campaign about "changing the tone in Washington".



America learned a lesson from Vietnam - - supporting our troops can and should be separate from supporting the agenda, tactics or propaganda of the administration.
We shall always support our troops - we are proud of them and the sacrifices they and their families make.

And while we support the troops we will work hard to destroy the regime that put the pride of our country in harm's way for their own profit.
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- - out of SO many the 'w' regime has perpetrated.

They have decieved the people to push their Iraq agenda, which they had in place coming in to office. The memos don't lie. The timeline is there.

I find myself more upset that the IDIOTS in this country couldn't keep straight in their empty heads who it was that killed 300 people on Sept 11th than at the regime using nasty propaganda tactics to push the fools toward believing it.
Day after day after day during his daily dog-and-pony show, 'w' used the words "Saddam" and "Sept 11th" in the same sentences - not coming out directly and saying they were linked, but letting the ignorance of the masses do his work for him. If you say something - or almost say something in this case - often enough, ignorant people will believe it.

That does not bode well for the future of America folks.


Then election season came around the now the regime is using the war as an attack against it's opponent - -and that's about as low as they can sink, except maybe for outing CIA agents, for which they should be hung like the traitors they are.
Those ads that say Kerry voted against body armor and hazard pay make me SO !!!


Here's how The Daily Show w/Jon Stewart satirized that nasty political tactic: they showed a recent tv ad by Halibacon, trying to prop up its reputation (for eeejits who haven't paid attention to their perfidy for years and years) - showing how they provide food service for the troops and laundry service for the troops and phone service for the troops.
Then they show a weepin-with-joy soldier talking to his wife getting the news about his new baby (boy - natch - it's a P.R. ad, after all).

Jon Stewart quips "if you are still against Haliburton YOU ARE AGAINST SOLDIER'S BABIES!"


HEY BUSH-LOVERS - how does it feel to have your tactics tossed in your face? Remember the pre-war crap about "if you don't support 'w''s war you support terrorists"?
Same tactic is being used against Kerry on that blank check for 'w's war agenda vote.



Disgusting, lowlife, nasty, desperate tactics.
I guess that's what 'w' meant during his campaign about "changing the tone in Washington".



America learned a lesson from Vietnam - - supporting our troops can and should be separate from supporting the agenda, tactics or propaganda of the administration.
We shall always support our troops - we are proud of them and the sacrifices they and their families make.

And while we support the troops we will work hard to destroy the regime that put the pride of our country in harm's way for their own profit.
Those are the words of a real American! Lets' support our troops in Iraq and reject the lie machine of Bush administration.

Our troops have paid with their lives the price of a negative showing-off-power agenda. We have lost too many in such a short time and now my own life is in jeopardy as I struggle everyday to make it to the next.

I just want to go back to America and find my country in a whole different situation of that one when I left. God bless you all.

A soldier!
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I'm a real American. I disagree with you there el presidente.

As a matter of fact I'd be willing to bet that the soldier next to you there in Iraq doesn't think like you do. The majority of the soldiers that I've talked to who came back, are behind President Bush. Recruitment is up in the Armed Forces too.

Another curious question that keeps popping up in twisted neo-con brain is... "How do you find time in your busy day of fighting off attacks to post on this bulletin board?"

Just curious.
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I'm a real American. I disagree with you there el presidente.

As a matter of fact I'd be willing to bet that the soldier next to you there in Iraq doesn't think like you do. The majority of the soldiers that I've talked to who came back, are behind President Bush. Recruitment is up in the Armed Forces too.

Another curious question that keeps popping up in twisted neo-con brain is... "How do you find time in your busy day of fighting off attacks to post on this bulletin board?"

Just curious.
Do you have any idea why they probably support Bush?

1st, They actually believe they are here fighting Al Qaeda and the global terrorism. They think this is because of 9/11 attacks. They are confused by all the bull that Bush and his administration have made them believe. And, of course, not all of them are not that smart.

2nd. Every fateful time there's a Republican president, soldiers get a raise in their paycheck. Yes, I remember that, it was like 50 miserable dollars a months. I asked one soldier months ago why was he supporting Bush so much? He say because of the money he gets. This was my answer, "so, you just care about yourself. I'm glad you are enjoying the 50 extra dollars a month he gave you, while millions in America are losing their job daily. You don't have to worry about losing your job, of course, but who cares about your mom or your dad. That's why we are like this". I truly think that individualism is hurtful for the society, specially if is coming from the government that's supposed to work for everybody.

3rd. Soldiers support Bush because they just don't know. They don't read anything other than *deleted* Playboys magazines and People. Sure you are gonna learn a lot reading such trash.

4th. Soldiers don't know what's behind all this war. It's not 9/11. It's not about free Iraq. If we want to be so nice to the countries in the world and want to promote democracy. Why just Iraq? What about Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela, Rwanda etc.etc.etc. where they still have dictatorships.
(as of March 2003) You probably don't even know why Iraq. If you don't know I'll gladly answer that for you.

5th. Recruitment. LOL! People is all about money. If you just only knew how much money they are offering to have people enlisting, you will probably enlist yourself. If you are a real republican, you will appreciate the money.
Another thing, look at the numbers of soldiers not reenlisting after their first term. That would give you an idea of how much soldiers "love" the army. They are just not reenlisting. If not about new people, they don't know the system. It's about the people that's getting out because they don't like the military.

6th. Anyways, I do not care what the soldier sitting next to me thinks like. I have no conversations about this topic with people that can't bring new views and light to this. I talk with knowledgeable people!!


And about your questions of my time, let me say this:

I wake up every morning at 6:00, not with an alarm but with a bomb that's goes off close to our little military base. But that's just one of the many that will make soldiers run and jump throughout the day.

I sense you think I hate the army. I don't. It's a completely different world of that one of a civilian, a world I don't get used to be in. People's different, some people like this some people don't . I don't regret I joined the army, but it's not for me, it's not what I want to be doing. Of course, what I'm doing now makes me proud because I'm serving a great nation. But now that I now the system, It's just not for me.

The army takes care of their soldiers and part of that is supplying us with the tools to contact our family back home. Like this computer.
I have the opportunity to e-mail friends and family and stay in touch with the outside world. Why using my time in this forum?? Because I want to make a difference in the world. I want to learn about other people's views, beliefs, thoughts, about what they care about, their needs and aspirations. So, when I'm ready to take charge in any government position (as I plan to do) I can say I know what they want, so I can use the government as the tool to serve society entirely.

I have enough time also because I don't go out everyday to fight. I'm a nurse and I'm here to take care of the soldiers that get injured or sick, to make sure they stay healthy. Every soldier has a different task, and that of mine is to make sure they are healthy and ready to defend the country. I'm here to save lives, not to take them.

The army needs strength, but they also need brains!!!
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I'm a real American. I disagree with you there el presidente.

As a matter of fact I'd be willing to bet that the soldier next to you there in Iraq doesn't think like you do. The majority of the soldiers that I've talked to who came back, are behind President Bush. Recruitment is up in the Armed Forces too.

Another curious question that keeps popping up in twisted neo-con brain is... "How do you find time in your busy day of fighting off attacks to post on this bulletin board?"

Just curious.
Bit mean of you Senax to infer that the post is not legit.

For all I know you could be a Democrat stooge reinforcing that conservative ideology defies logic and is just plain mean spirited.

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