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That's another inconsistency I was thinking about bringing up. First, they would be informed that gays aren't allowed to donate sperm. If the person is gay but keeps going, then to ask him if he is gay, telling them beforehand that what he says is legally binding and that there could be consequences for lying; in other words, attempting to scare him into telling the truth. That should be enough psychological pressure for almost all of them, I would think. In addition, many are openly gay, so that's a help too. This raises questions of morality, of course, but so does this whole plan...
A large percentage of gays don't even know they are gay, so they will think they are telling the truth.

They're also not going to be that scared, as there is no way to prove he knew he was gay when he donated sperm. If he has been seen having relations with a man previously, he could say he brainwahsed himself back into being straight with one of those homophobic, fundie sites. If he is seen having relations with a man, after the "donations" he could say he didn't know he was really gay at the time.
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Well let me add a bit more to the cake then. You've already agreed that this action would likely only decrease the number of gays at best, not eliminate them all together. In other words, right now estimates are around 2-10 percent are gay... Let's say we cut that in half, 1-5 percent... would everyone be 50% happier with regard homosexuals?
No, I would expect them to harbor about the same sentiment. But there would be half as many gays; so, only half of the previous number of gays would be experiencing the oppression, prejudice, and psychological discomfort throughout their lives.
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Well, so are black people. So are white people for that matter. We have people that have issues with all sorts of people. I don't think going down this path you suggest would end any time soon after.
You are entirely correct. It would also take an extremely long time because it would take multiple decades for only prohibiting sperm donations to have effect on demographics in any significant way.
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A large percentage of gays don't even know they are gay, so they will think they are telling the truth.
In other words, they're heterosexual but carry genes linked to gays; it's a recessive trait? Of course they would donate sperm like normal. But the procedure would still significantly prevent/reduce the number of the self-aware gay donors. I imagine that if people are aware that taking an action would be breaking a law, they wouldn't go out of the way to do it; they would be much more reluctant if they knew before they went to the donating place.
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You check it for the HIV as anyone elses and then store it. What is the problem?
I have never said anything about HIV. I would imagine that any reasonably intelligent donation place would check for it, though.
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Do you really think it is going to make gay babies? That would really be insane thinking.
It's not necessarily going to make gay babies, but it is more likely to produce gay babies, because of the very likely genetic link.

Even if it doesn't, it will still increase the frequency of genes in the gene pool that contribute to being gay, even if the carrier of the genes doesn't feel homosexual tendencies.

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