Moral Values vs Social Values

Many democrats are wondering why their values were rejected in the 2004 election. My opinion is that the liberal democrats had Social Values and not Moral Values. One might think Social Values and Moral Values are the same, but the Social Values of abortion and homosexuality are absolutely opposite to Moral Values as defined in the Bible. There are many other liberal democratic issues where Social Values are not consistent with Moral Values.

One could think the liberal democrats based their Social Values on Moral Values, but I think the liberal democrats based their Social Values on where they could get the most votes.

Although Social Values of the liberal democrats was rejected by a 51% to 48% margin, the liberal policies of the American judicial system was rejected by a 70% to 30% margin. The liberal democrats got caught up in a backlash against the liberal judicial system. The Supreme Court, the ninth circuit court of appeals in California and Chief Justice Margaret Marshall of Massachusetts had more to do with the election than John Kerry.

Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England states, "THIS law of nature, being co-eval with mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original."

The key point here is that law was dictated by God himself, it is superior to all other law, and that no laws contrary to the laws dictated by God are valid. A judicial system based on God's law is valid and all others are invalid.

The democratic party had better not look to Bill and Hillary Clinton for leadership. I cannot speak for all Christians but I hate Bill Clinton. The Clinton family represents the total opposite to Moral Values. I also hate New York City and Boston, Massachusetts because they are the epicenter of liberal philosophy. The word hate is appropriate because Christians should hate sin.

Liberal democrats need to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, then they will understand the difference between Social Values and Moral Values. America needs a revival where the people return to Jesus Christ.

The implication that Christians have superior moral values to those of other religions is spurious, at best. And it's just plain stupid.

Those of us who don't believe in your archaic tribal god of sheep herders from the shores of the mediterranean aren't capable of morality? Bollocks.

The vast majority of prison inmates in this country are allegedly Christians.

Catz

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If you are such a weak jellyfish you can be bullied on a forum where you can ignore any poster you do not want to read than I suggest you move to Tibet, convert to Buddhism, protest the Chinese occupation, be killed as you will by the Chinese and hope you come back with some form of backbone.

I am a conservative catholic but my conservatism dosen't come from my religion. I don't go to church every week. I don't quote from the bible when I am in a debate. With that said I believe that moral values is more then just a religious statement it is a human and spiritual statement. Granted religious people look more into it then no religious folks, but the fact is the over religions besides Christianity believe in these moral values. There are also people who don't have any religious backing who also believe in these moral issues. Jesus Christ isn'that savior to everyone who believes that abortion is a horrible practice. IMO this was a victory for true conservatism more then the religious right neo-conservastism and defiantly more then liberalism. Although the liberal media and some liberals themselves will never admit it they prefer to have there security blanket that everyone who voted for Bush is a "Holy Roller" or "Bible Thumper". Most be a weired statement for Jew's and Muslims who also believe that Abortion is wrong and are tired of hearing Bill Marh having sympathy for Islamic fascist.

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That's horrible.

Good posts, rockyreagan and catzmeow.

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and a devoted one at that. But I do believe that those who do not accept Christ can have moral standards as well, I just think that it is far easier to follow Christianity and have morals than not to. But that's just my opinion. Religion can be a very good way to teach people about a great deal of moral issues.

Agreed. But I don't find the morality of Christianity superior in any way to many other religious beliefs.

Catz

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JW Frogen, my new favorite noob poster:

If you are such a weak jellyfish you can be bullied on a forum where you can ignore any poster you do not want to read than I suggest you move to Tibet, convert to Buddhism, protest the Chinese occupation, be killed as you will by the Chinese and hope you come back with some form of backbone.

What criteria do you use in determing what is and what is not moral? I believe if you truthfully search your heart, you will discover you use the Judeo-Christian code of morality. Consequently, by holding other systems of belief equally moral to Christianity, you have just further illustrated the superiority of the Judeo-Christian model of morality.

(Was that a brilliant post or what?!?)

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Actually, evaluating Christianity in comparison to other religious beliefs has illustrated it's glaring moral deficiencies, frankly.

Catz

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JW Frogen, my new favorite noob poster:

If you are such a weak jellyfish you can be bullied on a forum where you can ignore any poster you do not want to read than I suggest you move to Tibet, convert to Buddhism, protest the Chinese occupation, be killed as you will by the Chinese and hope you come back with some form of backbone.

around the question, catz. I asked what criteria do you use for determing what is and what is not moral?

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I think religious crap is full of fear, seething hatred, ignorance, and is ultimately devoid of any deeper value.

But hey, that's just me. I'm agnostic and with the exception of morals pertaining to sexual conduct, I'm sure I'm just as moral and in agreement with the morality of many Christians (excluding those who lynch blacks, drag gays behind their trucks, and bomb abortion clinics).

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