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Old 11-10-2004, 04:35 PM
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We could go back and forth until our fingers are numb and most people do. I disagree with you and you disagree with me.
Um...no. I responded as to why you were wrong, and now you refuse to tell me why my response was incorrect. If you want to quit though, no one is forcing you to respond. I am happy to have the last word.

Basically, everything you posted was just an opinion; an opinion biased against the US. You assume guilt by default. You assume most Iraqis hate us by deault. You have no proof to back it up.

So if you want to cop out and go with the "oh lets just agree to disagree" line, go for it. I can actually sympathize....as I know you have no hard data on which to base you claims. So you have no real retort.

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Sadly, my points may be proven right in the coming years.
Probably true, considering you pulled them out of you @$$. You have not posted a shred of proof to back your points. All you have posted is a bunch of assumptions...biased assumptions that assume the worst about the US by default.

Dont post your assumptions and then expect us to simply accept them as facts. It's really as simple as that.
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Lets hope it all works out. But the American people need to realize one thing the people in the middle east are not afraid to die for their cause and they see no problem taking as many as they can with them. Especially westerners.

I hope the war in Iraq works. I just do not understand why we are there and I have yet to read anything from any of you to help me understand.

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Bush invaded Iraq to enforce UN rules... and how is this in the best interest of the USA?
Saddam was a volitile dictator known to be hostile to the US and to have ties to terrorists. At the time we believed he had or was seeking WMDS, up to and including nukes. He was known to interfere with inspections many times, making it unable to verify his claims that he did not have and was not seeking WMDs.

Even liberals at the time (like Edwars) believed he was lying. It was not some fabrication or mind control from Bush. Given what we knew at the time, an invasion was appropriate. We had already tried diplomacy.

"Given what we knew at the time, an invasion was appropriate."


The administration was given a mountain of intelligence from a variety of sources, the commander-in-chief's job was to sift through the intel and make a command decision. His decision to open up a second front in Iraq.

So knowing what we know now, that Iraq's WMD threat and terrorist ties to AlQaeda were minimal at best, the commander made the wrong decision.

The invasion of Iraq was not in the best interest of the USA. President Bush now has 4 years to fix this mess he got the USA into. I suggest he do a better job.


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also been one of foreign leaders who met secretly with Lurch and expressed their support for him. While you're at it, be on the lookout for some secret memos detailing Bush bailing out on National Gurad Service!
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You only need wait, Barney. Have faith

It still does not take away from the fact that Bush made the wrong decision by invading Iraq.

Or do you think otherwise?
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Several other things spell doom for the Democrats.

- The fastest growing ethnic group in America (Latinos) are increasingly supporting the Republicans. Every election year, the Republican candidate has added more Latino votes as their population also increases. The Democrats may soon only have a minority of Latino supporters, that is a VERY bad thing for the Democratic party.

- The Red states are growing in population, while by and large the Blue states are DECREASING in population. I think it's quite obvious why that's bad for Democrats.

- This country is seemingly on the verge of a religious revival. Though relgion is nearly dead in most of Europe, it is thriving in the United States, and the Republicans are definately riding that wave big time.

- There Republican party has done an excellent job of putting minorities in high positions. To date there are three cabinet members who are minorities and one Supreme Court Justice, all appointed by Repbulicans. This could eat away at minorites who vote Democrat.

- More women have voted for a Republican than in the past. Again, this is not good for Democrats who rely so heavily on women voters.

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And exactly how many of you find a one-party United States of America a good thing?
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I'm not sure what world you live in. But in this one it is not up to us to provide you with evidence for your own arguments. Sorry.

If you make the claim, you need to provide evidence to support it. You are not correct by default.

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Lets hope it all works out.
The chances are much greater now that Bush is remaining in office.

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But the American people need to realize one thing the people in the middle east are not afraid to die for their cause and they see no problem taking as many as they can with them. Especially westerners.
The people in the middle east need to be made to realize there are consequences to threatening us. That is the lesson of Iraq and Afghanistan...Threaten us at your own risk.

By installing democracies we make that unneccessary. How often does one democracy attack another? The masses are much more responsible with government than monarchs or despots are. History has already taught us that.

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So knowing what we know now, that Iraq's WMD threat and terrorist ties to AlQaeda were minimal at best, the commander made the wrong decision.
He did not know then what we know now...thats the point.

We had every reason to suspect Saddam. Even liberals suspected him. His decision was appropriate given what we knew.

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The invasion of Iraq was not in the best interest of the USA. President Bush now has 4 years to fix this mess he got the USA into. I suggest he do a better job.
So far I have not seen many suggestions from liberals on how he could have done a better job. They like to complain, but they dont like to offer alternatives.

Kerry's alternative of subordinating us to the UN was unacceptable.
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The administration was given a mountain of intelligence from a variety of sources, the commander-in-chief's job was to sift through the intel and make a command decision. His decision to open up a second front in Iraq.

So knowing what we know now, that Iraq's WMD threat and terrorist ties to AlQaeda were minimal at best, the commander made the wrong decision.

The invasion of Iraq was not in the best interest of the USA. President Bush now has 4 years to fix this mess he got the USA into. I suggest he do a better job.
So far I have not seen many suggestions from liberals on how he could have done a better job. They like to complain, but they dont like to offer alternatives.
An alternative to what?? Alternative to reality? Reality is that Pres.Bush made the decision to invade Iraq. Reality is the bulk of the US military's battle-ready ground forces are now on garrison duty in a hostile foreign environment. Reality is the USA cannot retreat from Iraq without dire consequences. Reality is nation-building a hostile country takes decades and will cost the USA untold amounts of blood & money & sacrifice. There is no alternative, there is only reality.

The alternative you are asking for is an imaginary scenario where Bush can go back to the past and not start a second front in Iraq. It's an imaginary scenario where he would have listenned to chief-of-staff Gen.Shinseki's warning of a 12 division strategy for a 10 division army, that he would have listenned to Sec-ofState Powell warnings about having to pay for something he breaks. There is no going back to the past, there is no alternative.
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