Sore Losers - Page 9

Tedminator · #81 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 10:10 AM

Thats because the constant back-and-forth bickering common to internet forums bore me. Arguing for arguements sake get the last word in see who gets more points is a pointless non-productive waste of time.

powergrid · #82 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 10:10 AM

Great. Does this mean you are leaving?

Tedminator · #83 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 10:19 AM

Nope. I still enjoy reading about other people's point of view.. just need to weed through all the fluff. Anyway it's pretty easy to determine which people have an opinion worth reading and which are just arguing for arguements sake.

powergrid · #84 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 10:21 AM

True. Very true. It is also pretty easy to determine which of us has no substantial opinion to present.

GOPer · #85 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanJ62";p=&quot

I'm going to ask this question one more time....

What do we do with Iraq?

I have yet to hear one Bush supporter give an intelligent and realistic answer.

We stay until the job is done. Do you realize that we are still in places like Germany (from WW2.) It's true. There are plenty of ways of bringing the mid east up to the yr. 2004 without having to fight a war. Maybe you should pick up Oliver North's new book & read up on what happened in the past & how the same success can work in the future. Yu think?

The way I see it the UN has ALOT of explaining to do over the oil for food scam as well as all the money the IMF funneled to that bum Arafat & his wife that they stole & have in swiss bank accts. Now if the UN would only come clean. We wouldn't hold it against them but it's time for all the nations to put a whole heart in winning the war on terror. Confession is good for the soul & would definately make for better allies. Get it?

Sadistic-Savior · #86 (**permalink**) 11-17-2004, 05:10 PM

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Thats because the constant back-and-forth bickering common to internet forums bore me. Arguing for arguements sake get the last word in see who gets more points is a pointless non-productive waste of time.

It's difficult to argue when you dont know your own argument...

hill0118 · #87 (**permalink**) 11-17-2004, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tedminator";p=&quot

It means just that. The US Military is under the control of this country's civilian leadership. As it should be... which also means the civilian leaders needs to take great care before sending the military off to invade another country.

The civilian leadership has had 3 years to debate this issue with public..

On November 2 the civilian leadership of this country voted to extend this agenda.. Those who would prefer to leave have lost the debate.. Sorry Ted.

The country is in the 'right' hands.

Stop using Bush winning the election as a proof of your statements. Appeal to popularity is a form of logical fallacy.

Besides which, it's hardly popularity. If there are 20 guys at my office and 11 of them worship me while 9 of them absolutely consider me to be the foulest living thing on the face of the planet, I'm hardly very popular am I?

We were talking about the Afgani elections. Sure, they went off without a hitch. If you don't consder the nearly half of all Afganis who couldn't vote because their region was control by warlords, who still consider it illegal for women to walk around uncovered and certainly consider it illegal for them or anyone else to vote.

It went surprisingly well. Mr. Karzai's running mate only had to live through one assasination attempt. The bomb was only a few feet from him, but he only got cuts and scrapes. I hear when there was an assasination attempt on Karzai himself they didn't get nearly as close. I mean come on! He was almost killed? He didn't even die! That's the usual flawless election, alright.

powergrid · #88 (**permalink**) 11-17-2004, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hill0118";p=&quot

We were talking about the Afgani elections. Sure, they went off without a hitch. If you don't consder the nearly half of all Afganis who couldn't vote because their region was control by warlords, who still consider it illegal for women to walk around uncovered and certainly consider it illegal for them or anyone else to vote.

Can you provide support for this?

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It went surprisingly well. Mr. Karzai's running mate only had to live through one assasination attempt. The bomb was only a few feet from him, but he only got cuts and scrapes. I hear when there was an assasination attempt on Karzai himself they didn't get nearly as close. I mean come on! He was almost killed? He didn't even die! That's the usual flawless election, alright.

Let me understand. I don't want to assume, so let me just ask.

a) Is any of this better or worse than living with the Taliban?
b) Do you consider the first election in Afghanistan since Taliban rule to have been a failure because of these problems, or a success in spite of them?

Tedminator · #89 (**permalink**) 03-13-2007, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior";p=&quot

What should Bush be doing now other than what he is doing? Jeez...do I have to spell it out? You dont like his performance...fine. What should he be doing instead? It's not a hard question.

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But you have no ideas as to what the alternatives would be. You just know things are bad, but have no idea how they could be better?

Discuss various alternatives in detail...To what end, powergrid? Like I told SS, read some of the declassified reports at the WarCollege/SSI.. they offer some concrete recommendations and observations about the war. You can then decide on your own without having to waste time debating it endlessly back and forth here.

Most of it is on a strategic level such as refocusing the Global War on Terror back against AQ, it's cells, and towards reinforcing USA's homeland security.

As for Iraq, the tactical realities of the occupation are limited since it's an anti-insurgency conflict... the US military needs to buy time so the local Iraqi forces can be brought up to speed and take control of their own country. Forget about democracy in the near future... stability is something the Iraqi people needs first. They'll be content with martial law as long as bullets aren't flying all over the place and car bombs aren't blowing up everyday. Wouldn't any of you if you were an Iraqi?

The GWoT as currently defined by the Bush administration is strategically unfocused, it's goals of riding the world of terrorism unrealistic and has dissipated the US military's force concentration by occupying 2 hostile nations at the same time.

Bottomline is the USA can & should destroy AQ but it can never rid the world of terrorism. Both kerry and the president knows this.. which is why they both made those comment about not winning the war against terrorism. Now the president just needs to refocus on AlQeada and be upfront with the american people and redefine this war.

Nothing I wrote here is new.. it's been circulating for quite some time but our politicians have been in the midst of an election and were afraid the American public cannot handle the truth. They are wrong.. we can handle the truth. I'd rather have the truth than an endless crusade trying to rid the whole world of terrorism.

no one else has any better ideas.

That was 2004.. now it's 2007. Now most Americans have seen how destructive the rightwing extremists' egomaniacal arrogance and 'stayduhcourse' incompetence has been. It's no surprise that the majority of Americans have lost confidence with neo-conservatives and no longer believe what comes out of their mouths.

The Republicon administration was late to realize when the Iraqi invasion turned into an occupation, late to realize the occupation had turned into chaos, they were late to realize when it turned into an insurgency, they were late to realize it turned into a civilwar, and now they want another shot at saving bushndick's legacy. Will they listen to advice from the moderate liberals and conservatives?

Tedminator · #90 (**permalink**) 03-13-2007, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SenaxFlatulus";p=&quot

Sore Losers
The left is going bonkers explaining themselves & their loss
Pretty good stuff! ...

And now that the worm has turned.. perhaps Senax can explain to us his side's incompetence with winning wars, lack of energy independence leadership, porous borders, illegal alien invasion, poor katrina response, inability to unite the nation, failure to properly care for our wounded, out of control spending, biggest growth in governnent ever, etc etc etc etc

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