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Old 12-04-2008, 11:08 AM
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The color of ones skin is something that can't be changed, it is genetic, their race is who they are. Homosexuality is a choice made by people. There is a difference, and to compare the two is like apples and oranges.

Marriage is a privilege, not a right. It is a privilege defined by God as between a man and a woman, utilized by societies over the centuries. Why should it be redefined to accommodate a group mentality.
So making inter-racial marriage illegal is ok right? I mean thats a CHOICE right??? They dont HAVE TO marry outside their race....

And if marriage is a religious deal then why do people need a STATE license for it to be a valid marriage and why must they go to a COURT to dissolve the marriage??? No one is saying the church has to honor the marriage, recognize it or perform it....only the STATE granted marital priviledges and labels should be granted and not be discriminatory.

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Old 12-04-2008, 11:11 AM
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Then it has no place in the state. You should lobby to see all state recognition of marriage outlawed in order to protect its sanctity.
Instead only civil unions should be allowed for all married couples (that's my stance, but it seems consistent with the whole "keep marriage holy" thing... no skin off my back, I was married by a judge).

I would support that. ALL civil unions are state granted, and all rights and priviledges would apply equally to hetero couples and gay couples. Churches can perform marriages and the religious can have that...dont care about that part at all.
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Who is advocating that it be ILLEGAL for you disagree? You fail to understand..its the law that should be changed and not allowed to discriminate. You can make sure to never let a gay person darken your doorstep for all I care...its the laws that shouldnt be discriminating.
Who is advocating that it be ILLEGAL for you disagree?

This disagreement was put to a vote, voting is legal, it has passed in 40 states, yet the group mentality insists it's illegal.
Why should the law be changed? Because it is your opinion that it is wrong? I'm sure that many groups believe that certain laws discriminate against them as well, should all laws that discriminate against any group be changed? Or is only the Gay community that should be recognized
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Gays getting married doesnt TAKE AWAY YOUR FREEDOMS but your attitude denies them theirs. You dont have to like it or go to any of the weddings but the fact that you support denying them equal rights is a bigot position and view....them getting married and having equal access to priviledges and rights denies NO ONE their rights or priviledges.

That is not true. A lawsuit against a photographer was pursued, and won based on the fact that she wouldn't take pictures of a gay wedding. She was forced to pay 3,000 dollars to the plaintiff. Lawsuits are still being fought by Priests who refuse to participate in marriages of Gay people. Notaries, in Mass. have been ordered to perform gay marriages against their conscious, or go to jail. Please don't tell me it would have no consequence on the public that disagrees. THAT IS A LIE! Next who else should have this privilege, just because they think it is right.
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:27 AM
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That is not true. A lawsuit against a photographer was pursued, and won based on the fact that she wouldn't take pictures of a gay wedding. She was forced to pay 3,000 dollars to the plaintiff. Lawsuits are still being fought by Priests who refuse to participate in marriages of Gay people. Notaries, in Mass. have been ordered to perform gay marriages against their conscious, or go to jail. Please don't tell me it would have no consequence on the public that disagrees. THAT IS A LIE! Next who else should have this privilege, just because they think it is right.
This is more nonsense. Gay people getting married does not deny you any rights at all.

A Priest cant be sued for not performing a gay wedding...churches are ALLOWED to discriminate..and they do all the time! They do it based on gender as well....women arent allowed to have certain positions in the church.

Now if you have a job (such as a notary) you are not allowed to discriminate and if you cant do your job because it clashes with your conscience...then dont do that job. Just like the pharmacist who is against the use of birth control...that doesnt give them the right to refuse to fill the prescriptions!
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:28 AM
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Really I do believe that arguments can be made for and against homosexual rights without the inclusion of morality and religion. Arguments can be made on a scientific and societal grounds. Those that do bring in religious morality are trying to impose their moral beliefs on others, and those that attack them on their moral beliefs are exibiting the same bigotry they claim they are fighting.
I'm not discussing Homosexuals rights,.. I'm not trying to impose My moral beliefs on others, so clearly you must be speaking of someone else.
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:34 AM
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I wonder what the result was for the question, "Would you like your child to be a homosexual?"
Or, if your child was in the military, would you want him/her to be forced to shower with homosexuals?
Or, if you had to give up a child to adoption, would you rather the child was raised by a heterosexual couple, or two gay men?
Or, If your ex-wife wanted to marry yours and her biological son, would that be OK with you?
It is kind of strange that years and years ago the military was consider to be the place to send ones homosexual children in order to train them, teach them, mold them and influence them to become man. Now, it is the other way around man who join the military are being influence to become homos

Also, according to the posted survey that 50% Americans support same sex marriage and yet in California Prop 8 yes vote won.
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Marriage or Domestic Partnership
Three-quarters of U.S. adults (75%) favor either marriage or domestic partnerships/civil unions for gay and lesbian couples. Only about two in 10 (22%) say gay and lesbian couples should have no legal recognition. (Gay and lesbian couples are able to marry in two states, and comprehensive civil union or domestic partnership laws exist in only five others and the District of Columbia.)

Open Military Service
Almost two-thirds (64%) of U.S. adults favor allowing openly gay military personnel to serve in the armed forces. (The current “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” law bans military service by openly gay personnel.)

Extensions toward Hate Crime Laws
About six in 10 (63%) U.S. adults favor expanding hate crime laws to cover gay and transgender people. (Hate crimes laws cover gay and transgender people in 11 states and the District of Columbia, and an additional - 20 states’ laws cover sexual orientation but not gender identity.)

Adoption
Nearly seven out of 10 U.S. adults (69%) oppose laws that would ban qualified gay and lesbian couples from adopting children. (In several states, gay and lesbian couples are banned from adopting.)

More statistics here.
Their numbers are obviously skewed, they certainly aren't neutral and I wouldn't give their numbers any credibility. Especially since they are far off from other poll results and, more importantly, election results.
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This is more nonsense. Gay people getting married does not deny you any rights at all.

A Priest cant be sued for not performing a gay wedding...churches are ALLOWED to discriminate..and they do all the time! They do it based on gender as well....women arent allowed to have certain positions in the church.

Now if you have a job (such as a notary) you are not allowed to discriminate and if you cant do your job because it clashes with your conscience...then dont do that job. Just like the pharmacist who is against the use of birth control...that doesnt give them the right to refuse to fill the prescriptions!
Do your homework man, I have. The homosexual community is pushing for laws to be changed because "they will it". Well prostitutes, and drug dealers also feel our laws discriminate, should we change the laws for them? Should the laws be changed, Churches would not be allowed to discriminate. You are denying the fact that the agenda is to force a society to accept what they believe to be wrong. If society believed as you did the votes would have gone the other way. Where is your tolerance for those who disagree with you regarding marriage?
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That is not true. A lawsuit against a photographer was pursued, and won based on the fact that she wouldn't take pictures of a gay wedding. She was forced to pay 3,000 dollars to the plaintiff. Lawsuits are still being fought by Priests who refuse to participate in marriages of Gay people. Notaries, in Mass. have been ordered to perform gay marriages against their conscious, or go to jail. Please don't tell me it would have no consequence on the public that disagrees. THAT IS A LIE! Next who else should have this privilege, just because they think it is right.
Might you have links to any of these happenings?

I've got no problem with respecting the voices of voters when it comes to some things. My hometown spent, oh...about 20 years voting on whether to allow beer and wine products to be sold out of grocery stores and such.
Big deal, drinkers would go to the next city.

But yes in fact, I have quite the problem when "majority" gets to decide when I'm allowed basic rights and protections. If nothing else because the level of ignorance shown is laughable.

Tell me algranny, how hard have you tried to not be straight?
Being so certain as you are that my life is "merely a choice", how much effort have you put into resisting becoming gay?
How much will power and strength of character did it take to "decide" to be straight?

Do tell.
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