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Old 12-05-2008, 08:50 PM
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There isnt much sense in trying to explain, you have drawn erroneous conclusion, I dont know what else to tell you. You cannot understand something you dont believe in,.. it has to do with faith,.. but I'll point out a couple things,.. if you want to learn it is your choice,..I'll disect your first statement for you.

In its whole it looks like this,...

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It has everything to do with other cultures. In their culture they didn't understand homosexual relationships and therefore they referred to them as abominations. Abominations is more about rituals and so forth. It isn't about sins or being sinful. If it was sinful, then we would follow everything Leviticus lists as an abominations and not be selective Bible readers and pick and choose (as anti-homosexual people do with the passages in Leviticus).
Lets break it down a little.

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It has everything to do with other cultures. In their culture they didn't understand homosexual relationships and therefore they referred to them as abominations.
This is incorrect on a few levels,.. first you indicate "they" in refference of jews, being represented by a central speaker on their behalf.

This is incorrect,.. the speaker is a prophet and speaks on Gods behalf, relaying to the people "Gods law",.. which would become the law of the Jews

Secondly, the Jews understood homosexual relations in as much as needed,..They had lived amongst such when in captivity of the Egyptians. The were instructed by God not to indulge in such. No further understanding is nessasary as their God gave them a command.

Third, The law of God, from God himself is what defined homosexuality as an abomination,.. not the jews.

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Abominations is more about rituals and so forth. It isn't about sins or being sinful.
Hardly,.. your argument is an attempt to minimize the significance of the term,.. it is as far off as your other perceptions.

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If it was sinful, then we would follow everything Leviticus lists as an abominations and not be selective Bible readers and pick and choose (as anti-homosexual people do with the passages in Leviticus).
This as well is in error on several levels.

You assert that people who quote leviticus do so as being selective because they are anti homosexual.
It would be kind of foolish to quote tything scripture when speaking about homosexuality.

Again you confuse old and new covenant with the law.

The law will exist forever. However we have grace,.. if not this generation would surely be put to death.

So nothing of the law is past,.. and if one is not under the new covenant, they are condemned by the law.

Your argument is without truth.

There is scripture in the new testament that says not to throw your pearls before swine as they will just trample them underfoot.

The intent of the verse is to not waste your time trying to share the gift of scripture or to teach those who will not hear the truth and ignore the message. They worship other Gods, and hear only what their father (the master of lies) tells them.

For the record,.. that message came to me as I wrote it,.. My preacher is to shy to go there.

You may continue on,. but our conversation is over.
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A fringe blog.

These stats are erroneous, they attempt to portray Homosexuality in a light of acceptance.

It is quite the opposite, I find homosexuality unacceptable.

I like to think that gays could be helped to become an acceptable part of a moral society if we ridiculed them daily, maybe spit on them, possibly subject them to torture and death. If I saw a homosexual twitching on the ground from a heart attack I'd step right over them,.. I mean they really disgust me. I see them as without any value as human beings so long as they continue in their lifestyle

There might be other alternatives that would make them acceptable in society as the op suggest,.. but I cant see it.

Any thoughts?
I thought I should clear this up for those who just happened upon this thread,..

Since I'm allready getting hate mail!

This statement was meant as a barb for Mak,.. and I'm pretty sure she knows that. For her bashing fat people.

If those of you telling me I'm a sick (*)(*)(*)(*) read any of my post in the Obese thread you'd realize the sarcasm of the above statement.

I dont know Tresha or Mak,.. but I have compassion for both,.. well I'm having a little less for Mak at the moment, but I could never advocate such treatement for anyone. I hope that clears things up.
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All studies have shown the children growing up in gay headed households do the same as kids who grow up in hetero households...there is no difference.

Any stress a child would suffer due to growing up in a gay headed household would be due to the people who have a PROBLEM with and try to prevent gay folks from marriage and prattle on about how "awful and sinful" being gay is. Its the bigotry thats the problem...are you looking to outlaw it for the sake of the children?
And what exactly would you expect a study taken today by the usual cast of PC academia to say? How's that tenure thingy gonna look when you report that gays aren't quite as good for the kids as straights? And really, there exists only anecdotal, trivial data of the long term, no real data of grown kids from gay parents.

The kool aide leftists NEVER lets motive cross they're mind. What rubes.
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How's that tenure thingy gonna look when you report that gays aren't quite as good for the kids as straights?
Straight people are statisically more likely to be pedophiles than homosexuals. For that reason it is safer for a child to be in around a gay person than a straight person.

See, I can use your own ridiculous arguments against you - the only difference is that mine is actually true.
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And what exactly would you expect a study taken today by the usual cast of PC academia to say?
In the eye of the paranoid everyone is plotting.

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How's that tenure thingy gonna look when you report that gays aren't quite as good for the kids as straights? And really, there exists only anecdotal, trivial data of the long term, no real data of grown kids from gay parents. The kool aide leftists NEVER lets motive cross they're mind. What rubes.
Your posts are so filled with sarcasm and condemnation, it is hard to believe you care about the welfare of anything or anyone.

I've been told that sarcasm is a coward's way of making a point.
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Marriage or Domestic Partnership
Three-quarters of U.S. adults (75%) favor either marriage or domestic partnerships/civil unions for gay and lesbian couples. Only about two in 10 (22%) say gay and lesbian couples should have no legal recognition. (Gay and lesbian couples are able to marry in two states, and comprehensive civil union or domestic partnership laws exist in only five others and the District of Columbia.)

Open Military Service
Almost two-thirds (64%) of U.S. adults favor allowing openly gay military personnel to serve in the armed forces. (The current “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” law bans military service by openly gay personnel.)

Extensions toward Hate Crime Laws
About six in 10 (63%) U.S. adults favor expanding hate crime laws to cover gay and transgender people. (Hate crimes laws cover gay and transgender people in 11 states and the District of Columbia, and an additional - 20 states’ laws cover sexual orientation but not gender identity.)

Adoption
Nearly seven out of 10 U.S. adults (69%) oppose laws that would ban qualified gay and lesbian couples from adopting children. (In several states, gay and lesbian couples are banned from adopting.)

More statistics here.
I did not read every response. However I hope someone noticed that the "survey" was conducted by GLAAD. Nuff said.....
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It is kind of strange that years and years ago the military was consider to be the place to send ones homosexual children in order to train them, teach them, mold them and influence them to become man. Now, it is the other way around man who join the military are being influence to become homos

Also, according to the posted survey that 50% Americans support same sex marriage and yet in California Prop 8 yes vote won.
Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder only 35 years ago.

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The survey is obviously bogus nonsense designed to influence public opinion. 40 states have voted to protect marriage, and 40 times it has passed. Perhaps they are calling the wrong people.
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I wonder what the result for the question, "Would you like your child to be a homophobic, right wing fascist?" would have been.

Or, if you and your wife died, would you want your child to be raised in an orphanage, by foster parents who were in it for the money or by a loving homosexual couple who would love your child and do their best to see that he or she reached their potential.

Your third question about your wife marrying your son is really too stupid to be addressed.
Facism is a leftwing ideology. Liberal fascism

My children are grown. I come from a large family (Catholics don't believe in abortion). My brothers and sisters would have raised my child if anything would have happened to me. Fortunately, they are all straight.

Why? If they are both consenting adults, why would you discriminate against them? You are violating their civil rights!
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it's similar to "would you prefer your child to be a girl or a boy". The reasons supporting your preference are invalid, and selfish.
The difference being, maybe 50% say boy, 50% say girl.

My guess is close to 100% say straight.
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