Right, and "Main St. America" is at the moment not supportive of same-sex marriage... has anyone denied that?

When? The only relevant ballot measure is CT's Question 2 this year, where the same-sex marriage supporters won by a large margin.

Ceteris paribus, maybe, but you ignore the context of this particular fight, which is about whether a disliked minority group should have equal rights. What role does bigotry play in that? What did No on 8 do that was bigoted?

This accusation is hilarious. Did you actually watch the ad in question? The "home invasion" was obviously metaphorical: I very much doubt that anyone who saw it thought otherwise.

Source?

Assuming arguendo the truth of this claim (certainly it has happened before, if not specifically in response in Prop. 8 ), it still fails to support your claims.

First, it doesn't represent the mainstream trend of the LGBT rights movement, which has been toward peaceful demonstrations and legal methods of political advocacy. Using people you describe as "militant gays" to characterize the entire political tendency makes no more sense than conflating, say, the people behind Yes on 8 and the Westboro Baptist Church.

Second, such protests in no sense amount to "hate"--they are a civil disobedience tactic in response to very real hate toward gays coming from religious institutions.

I'll take "pseudo-moralism" any day if that's what you call rationality, decency, and common sense.

Do you have an actual credible source?

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The problems caused by liberal policies like housing subsidies that caused the bubble?
The problems of overspending to get liberal senators and congressmen to vote for national defense in trade?
These things are caused by liberals buying votes for pork by holding national defense hostage, and are never reported by the liberal media as such.

nice try

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9/11 truthers = Obama birthers. The extremes of both ends. Both just batsh*t crazy.
A libtard is 97% more likely to post idotic statistics in their signature.

Here's another recent poll:

A Gay Marriage Surge: Public support grows, according to the new NEWSWEEK Poll.

The numbers here are lower than the one cited at the beginning of this thread, but the trend is the same.

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Wow, a POLL !!! That means so much more than what the VOTERS SAY.
Give it a rest,willya?

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First the attack on the elderly woman. How about your OWN EYES? Credible enough? Watch the whole vid...

Next. Of course the "home invasion" was a metaphor; the church attacks ARE NOT,they are VERY REAL,as was the attack on this woman. It is HATRED. It isn't "civil disobediance"; it is enterring a PRIVATE FACILITY,and terrorizing the people there. It is HATRED,which is exactly what you'd call it if gaybashers stormed into a gaybath and started terrorizing everyone there.
You can try denial all you want,but this IS the CURRENT FACE of the gay movement in America.It is the face of HATRED.
There have been marriage acts on tha ballot in far more states than Cal.and Connecticut. Missouri and dozens of others passed similar measures in 2004.
Why do I have to do all of YOUR research?
Facts not something you're used to looking for?

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What do you expect? For over a decade now, the public has been overwhelmed with pro-gay propaganda from the media. The old guard has been less affected by the Ricki Lakes and Ellen Degenerates than the youth, but the moldable youth is, after all, who they are seeking to influence. These surveys are made just to see how the social engineering is going.

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"People at gay marriage demonstration loudly denounce woman counter-demonstrating"... how scary.

Out of curiosity, have you ever been to a protest? To one with counter-demonstrators? I have: it gets heated very quickly, and very easily. No surprise, either, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the general character of a political movement--more "human nature."

What "church attacks"? Again, do you have a citation? You speak so vaguely that it's difficult to respond, and it would be nice if you would actually substantiate your claims.

Again, assuming this actually happened, "terrorizing" is still propagandistic scare-rhetoric and actual invasion of church facilities is not at all representative.

Well, yes, because I know the motive for such an act would be homophobic bigotry.

Now, if the gay bathhouse in question had recently actively supported and funded a campaign to deprive another group of equal rights... that's a different story.

This line is effective demagoguery, perhaps, but it fails entirely at nuance and proportion--like most demagoguery.

So?

Again, you're targeting a straw man: no one has denied that the majority is currently opposed to same-sex marriage, especially not when it expresses its will after effective campaigns supported by certain religious institutions and national political organizations.

That does not alter the fact that polls are showing unprecedented levels of support for LGBT rights measures, and that by all indication such support is likely only to rise.

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Are you kidding me? You haven't heard about the church attacks? It's been all over the news and this forum for the past few weeks. How about you just google "gays attack church".

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So, we're letting radicals represent the majority? Is this how we're still operating?

I'm aware of demonstrations and of a few reports of vandalism. I've heard insinuations of worse, but I don't trust the organizations ranting about this stuff at all, because they've proven again and again that they're willing and eager to transparently distort truth for political convenience. I wanted specifics from Grokmaster to resolve that problem.

The only incident of actual invasion seems to be a Bash Back! action in Lansing, Michigan... which only brings up the obvious question: do any of you know anything about Bash Back? For instance, are you aware that they spurn entirely the mainstream LGBT rights movement for being too moderate, and decry attempts at marriage equality as mere assimilationism?

Unsurprisingly, we find that the mere fact that most of them are gay is enough to provoke a concerted attempt at demonization of the entire movement... but, really, that says more about the opponents of marriage equality (some of them, anyway) than the supporters.

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