Acknowledging Jesus As a Failed Leader - Page 5

Nicholas the 8,358,353rd · #41 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dkv

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blo...failed-leader/

I think there is a flaw in the argument of failed leadership. In my opinion leadership doesnt and shouldnt end with the demise of the leader.

In this massive Universe, with its variety of creatures, if a God existed, why would it be humanoid? Why not have a lizard God? Why not some kind of alien slug God? I'll tell you why, it's because the humanoid God does not exist; it was concocted by egocentric humans.

Taomon · #42 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by thoughtprocess

Its never wrong to express your own ideals in an unthreating way but to retaliate against someones ideals if morally wrong. Think about it you know your right your wife thinks she right you agrue and agrue. You both end up hurt and you both end up wrong because you couldnt just stop and understand what the other persons believes. But if the wife says I understand you husband and I know you need to me to listen so I will but then its my turn. And the husband cant understand her side so immediately only saying your wrong and i wont accept it then who is wrong.

you dont have to change for people only accept that people are different.

That is the thing, I do accept that people are different. What angers me, what fuels my hatred of religion is the intolerance of religious people in general.

Sure, some will be more open than others, but in general: Christians, Muslims and Jews have pretty much lost the meaning of their teachers. And yet you are seeking to have me be more tolerant and understanding when I am constantly confronted by the pigheadedness of Christian bastards who demand that everyone bow to their beliefs and ideals but will not budge an inch of understanding towards anyone else.

So, I will continue my campaign until either I am killed for my beliefs or acceptance and diversity are embraced by religious kooks. I call it fighting fire with fire.

TheHat · #43 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 02:56 PM

If Jesus failed as a leader, then why 2,000 years later does he still inspire?

Pretty dumb thread to me.

Taomon · #44 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHat

If Jesus failed as a leader, then why 2,000 years later does he still inspire?

Pretty dumb thread to me.

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Originally Posted by Taomon

Actually, that would be Paul. He was preaching a radical change from Christ's ministry.

Paul came along after Christ died and joined the Apostles who were led by Jesus' brothers. Paul deviated from Christ's teachings, claiming that he had visions of Jesus and that Jesus was God.

Paul was kicked out of the Apostle's movement and went on his own forming a cult. When the Romans converted the Catholic Church was born and Christianity went from cult to State Religion. Leaders went from paupers to kings.

That is two reasons for the following that Christianity got; it was a mandatory involvement for most of the world for thousands of years and there is a cult mentality that flows through it.

I already stated this, but since you missed it...

thoughtprocess · #45 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Taomon

That is the thing, I do accept that people are different. What angers me, what fuels my hatred of religion is the intolerance of religious people in general.

Sure, some will be more open than others, but in general: Christians, Muslims and Jews have pretty much lost the meaning of their teachers. And yet you are seeking to have me be more tolerant and understanding when I am constantly confronted by the pigheadedness of Christian bastards who demand that everyone bow to their beliefs and ideals but will not budge an inch of understanding towards anyone else.

So, I will continue my campaign until either I am killed for my beliefs or acceptance and diversity are embraced by religious kooks. I call it fighting fire with fire.

Ok i dont get it who are you fighting for again. what belief i mean Because if they talk and boast and you still stand its more of an irritation would you not say. They really have no power other than getting you mad and making you look foolish. You obviously wont budge an inch on fighting them why should they budge on their beliefs. So to put it plainly their intolerance begets your intolerance and the cycle of war continues. So I ask you an intellegent person why do you put yourself in harms way when harm doesnt even chose you. Im not saying accept them in your heart im saying accept your heart for what it is good and to fight them changes who you are.

What heart other than your own compels you to want to fight if you can tell yourself that honestly that you fight for someone else and it is the same result in your mind then I will agree with you only in your case though (theres always exceptions to the rule)and I take back everything I said because its your world and I cant begin to percieve know what you know and vice versa.

TheHat · #46 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Taomon

I already stated this, but since you missed it...

Pretty much 1 billion disagree with you.

Taomon · #47 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHat

Pretty much 1 billion disagree with you.

Sheep tend to ignore the truth

Kazikli Bey · #48 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiva_TD

There isn't even a reference in the Jewish documents of the time related to Jesus. Josephus was the first independent source to write about Jesus and that was 60 years after his death as I recall. There are no contemporary accounts of Jesus during his lifetime and he would therefore be considered as insignificant at that time.

I'm sorry, are you debating whether Jesus existed or not?

obediant_consumer · #49 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHat

If Jesus failed as a leader, then why 2,000 years later does he still inspire?

Pretty dumb thread to me.

his time is almost up...the next savior of man will be here soon, jesus wasant the first solar massia....and he wont be the last

terrorist · #50 (**permalink**) 01-13-2009, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dkv

Acknowledging Jesus As a Failed Leader

Wow^%$*% Jesus was a leader in politics? I thought he was some Jew who believed in Christianity

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